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If Republicans are so sure they can win the vote, why do they keep passing laws making it hard for Democrats to vote?
by NewChapter 159 Replies latest members politics
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botchtowersociety
Id like to see more members of the Gay Community open carry
Me too.
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leavingwt
NewChapter: In your State, on election day, when you go to the poll, what is the procecure? Do they ask for any ID, or do you find yourself on a list? I'm not familiar with how others states (without the Voter ID laws) work.
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botchtowersociety
LOL
You can't get 80% of people to say Elvis is dead:
Slam dunk: Minnesotans love Voter ID, Strib poll finds
Eighty percent of respondents said they favor a photo ID requirement
http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/121678219.html
A new national telephone survey conducted by Rasmussen Reports finds that 75 percent of likely U.S. voters “believe voters should be required to show photo identification, such as a driver’s license, before being allowed to vote.”
Look at the numbers: Rasmussen found 85 percent support for photo ID among Republicans, 77 percent support among non-affiliated voters, and even 63 percent support among Democrats. The poll also found, not surprisingly to anyone who understands the Americanelectorate, “support for such a law is high across virtually all demographic groups.”
Raleigh, N.C. – There continues to be overwhelming support among North Carolina voters for requiring photo identification to vote, according to a new poll released today by the Civitas Institute.
Eighty-three percent of voters said they favor a law that requires voters to show government-issued photo identification, such as a driver’s license or passport, before being allowed to cast a vote in an election. Sixteen percent said they oppose such a law, and 1 percent said they have no opinion, according to the live caller poll of 600 registered voters.
http://www.nccivitas.org/2011/civitas-poll-voters-continue-demand-requiring-photo-id-vote/
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leavingwt
It's highly unlikely that the 6-3 Supreme Court decision affirming Voter ID as Constitutional will be overturned in our lifetime. So, as a practical matter, the major parties will need to move forward, assuming that voters in many States will need proper ID. Is it legal for a political party to pay the fees for these IDs? If so, this creates a need for even more money for campaigns.
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NewChapter
Leaving WT: I believe some id is required, but not photo at this moment. Certain pieces of mail suffice.
Also regarding the court. It's true that state laws have been upheld. I know a little about Indiana. However this has emboldened states to go even further. So while one state's id law may be deemed constitutional, the next state may still overreach and get struck down. I believe in Indiana, because they made the id free of charge and put forth an effort to educate and assist voters, the court did not find a problem. Other states are still charging for the id's and not allowing enough time to educate and assist voters. Also they are adding to the law, like in Ohio trying to require a complete ss# and proof of it.
That is how I understand what is happening right now. SO each state will still be challenged because they are testing the waters. They are trying to see how far they can go with this. We can't assume because one decision was upheld, that they all will.
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leavingwt
So while one state's id law may be deemed constitutional, the next state may still overreach and get struck down.
That's a good point. Making it completely free and easy would seem the like that best way to go, if a State wants it to be upheld.
Regarding your earlier question about Mississippi, yes, we're the poorest State in the country. We're also the fattest and the least educated. Our economy depends upon hundreds of millions of dollars from the taxpayers of Blue States. <----- Irony.
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NewChapter
I know LW. We broke down the statistics, I think on the Rich People thread, but not sure. We compared Mississippi and New York. The numbers were stunning. My comment on it was what happens to MS if they don't befit from NY money? The push is to reduce Fed. govt. and make the states take care of their own--but then what happens to MS. It feels wrong to leave a poor state to fend for itself. But again, it's a red state. I don't think people REALLY understand how they benefit from Federal programs. I think there is simply a culture and no on is thinking it through.
We also took those numbers and subtracting SS and Fed. money spent on Fed. land. This left social programs only. We excluded SS because many elderly people move south, and they don't pay taxes on their SS, so they don't add to revenue. We were comparing revenue to spending. I'll try to find it and give you the link.
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NewChapter
Leaving WT: Here is the link to where we looked at all the numbers.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/politics/212995/9/Social-Security-Cut-or-Protect
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Berengaria
A variety of groups, including Minnesota AARP, oppose the legislation because they expect it to affect certain voting blocs disproportionately.
Sherri Knuth with the League of Women Voters said that while the issue may poll highly, many people change their minds when they hear the details and implications.
"If you spend five minutes with them explaining what photo ID really means, and how it would impact voters who don't readily have a photo ID available, then they switch their positions," Knuth said.
Just a snippet from the first link in Botch's post. This is exactly the point about these polls. Say to the public "Voter fraud is a huge problem, would you support voter ID laws?" of course most of the population will say yes. The point is that the more informed out there, particularly those trying to pass this stuff, realize the ramifications. It's no secret why this is coming up, it's another part of a concerted effort to continue to swing the country to the right. For the benefit of the Republicans and their big business backers. Actually that should be reversed. For the benefit of big business, and their Republican shills.
Look in to ALEC.