If Republicans are so sure they can win the vote, why do they keep passing laws making it hard for Democrats to vote? (page 16)

botchtowersociety

Then it will be sorted out. Apparently, you do not have an issue with photo ID either.

BTS, my only objection is blocking valid votes. Work that issue out and I have no more objections. I told you earlier, I don't support voter fraud. Yet I'm not willing to punish a weak minority. We are better than that. Set aside politics and attack the real problem while still protecting our rights. Did you think I secretly supported fraud? Did you think my objection to the current laws was a veiled desire to let illegals vote? Nope. We are smart enough to find a workable solution. My dismay was with Republicans that didn't seem to care about the disenfranchised. I believe we should ALL care about that too.

NC

botchtowersociety

Any requirement will inevitably reduce the amount of people participating. Even having to register to vote has that effect. You have to balance requirements with wanting to have a transparent and reliable electoral system. Photo IDs are not an onerous requirement, and greatly increase confidence in a system that sees abuse.

bluesapphire

BTS, would you support a simple law being written which requires all states to have voter ID with pictures BUT also must be free AND would be easy access for seniors such as I mentioned above where someone would actually visit them to assist them in getting this ID and even bring with them a voter registration? And where college students would be able to get an ID on campus and also register to vote? IOW, let's make it easy-peasy baby! Let's really ENCOURAGE more voting by these peeps!!!

botchtowersociety

BTS, would you support a simple law being written which requires all states to have voter ID with pictures BUT also must be free AND would be easy access for seniors such as I mentioned above where someone would actually visit them to assist them in getting this ID and even bring with them a voter registration? And where college students would be able to get an ID on campus and also register to vote? IOW, let's make it easy-peasy baby! Let's really ENCOURAGE more voting by these peeps!!!

I would support it. States wouldn't like waiving the driver's License fee however, especially as cash strapped as they are these days, but maybe they could make it up by pricing it into vehicle registrations/renewals on a revenue neutral basis.

BTS

PS: Just looked it up for my state, looks like non commercial driver's licenses and photo ID cards add about $50 million to revenues.

bluesapphire

That IS a problem! Vouchers could be a solution. But then again, adds to making it cumbersome, erego discouraging.

Then again, it's a one time dealio per person, right? It's not a consistent revenue builder if someone only needs their ID once and then can change their address on line, for instance or via USPS.

Same with voter registration. Lifetime registration, unless you change your address whereby you can submit for a new ID by mail or on line and automatically change your registration. Tie it all together.

This requires some thought. But our legislature needs to come up with a common sense law such as this instead of the bullsh*t laws they are bringing to the table now, which if you are honest, BTS, reveal a sinister motive. Because if it is truly ONLY to protect against voter fraud, well I'm no genius ....

Then there would be no issue whatsoever!

botchtowersociety

Then again, it's a one time dealio per person, right?

I'm sure pictures need to be changed from time to time. I don't look like I did a decade ago (wish I did).

I care less about motives than about results. Politicians are a like anybody else. Motives are always suspect.

They are in it for themselves, and respond to incentives just like anybody else. The key is not in electing some sort of superior person that does not exist (there are no angels), but in making that person do what you want him to do. That falls on the electorate that is knowledgable and engaged.

BTS

NewChapter

Exactly. The motive is pretty clear. We are here to make sure they can't successfully act on it if it is unethical.

And to cut down on cost to help those that are semi-hombound, they could just take a pic right there. It's the computer age for godssake. The solution is there if they want it. But it will definitely cost. Excellent idea making ID's available on campuses. It wouldn't really even be a problem if state and school officials just agreed on a format and student id's were accepted. Lot's of state accept them anyway. I think trying to block them was pure agenda and had nothing to do with voter fraud. I have a student ID, and they were NOT loosey goosey when they issued it. They were pretty diligent.

So we've solved that problem. What's next?

NC

bluesapphire

OK, so renewable periodically. Still no biggie.

Glad we are agreeable.

Not sure I agree with you on the motives aspect although. I think when a sinister motive is so blatant, such as in these clearly votor suppression driven laws, then EVERYONE should be angered and voice their opinion that it is NOT OK with THEM! Regardless of party. Voter fraud is wrong. And voter suppression is wrong TOO! PERIOD!

What's wrong with saying, "Hey, this is NOT OK! We don't want fraud but we don't want THIS either. And we are not stupid! Now write something which makes sense and we will vote for it!"

What is wrong with that?

Why do you and others come on this board and defend the indefensible? I have demonstrated that these laws could be simply written in a way which would not suppress, but rather, encourage MORE voter turnout. Just little ole' me.

NewChapter

In my state, for now, we only register once. As long as we vote every 4 years we don't have to do it again. If we change addresses we send in that info. We don't need a photo ID. It would be very difficult to steal my vote. First someone would have to know my details and my address. Then they would have to get some of my mail. Then they would have to know I wasn't going to show up at the polls. They would have to do that thousands of times. I had to write out my social on the registration form. I didn't have to present a card though. If my ss and name didn't show up with my birthday, I'm sure I would have been flagged. I don't think voter fraud is an issue or THE issue. But BT brought up a good point about illegal immigrants. But the breakdown there was at registration not at the polls.

NC

If Republicans are so sure they can win the vote, why do they keep passing laws making it hard for Democrats to vote?

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