by NewChapter 159 Replies latest members politics
Yeah, that was just a huge information or nonforamtion dump. I didn't want to take the energy to sort it out and answer each charge. For the sake of argument let's say there is a lot of truth in it, (Although it looks like there is a lot of spin to what he pasted) I still don't know what that has to do with voter suppression. . Acorn was bad now YOU don't get to vote! Smoke and Mirrors.
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Actually, this has been hashed and rehashed. ACORN did nothing wrong. They flagged the suspicious registrations themselves when they turned them in. And ultimately this is not voter fraud, it's registration fraud. They didn't vote.
When you pay a guy 2 bucks for every signature, you've got to expect that there will be bull. ACORN is the victim here.
The fun part in this story, is that RWNJ's love to get indignant over this non story, but they turn a blind eye to the actual fraud and vote stealing by the Republicans. Hypocrisy squared.
That is what I've heard. I wasn't politically conscious when this exploded (still thought I was going back to the hall) so I didn't follow it as closely as I've followed more current politics. My impression was that it was a false scandal. Yet I couldn't support it with facts and figures, just the news I've seen on it.
I also knew it was registration fraud--but if fake people were registered--how would these fake people have voted? Even without ID's doesn't there have to be SOME kind of identification like mail or something like that?
From this thread, this is what I have gleaned. Some have valid concerns about voter fraud--particularly with illegals. I don't know the verified facts and figures on this, but I still hold that this should be taken care of during the registration process not at the polls.
The Republicans on this board don't seem to concern themselves at all with disenfranchised voters. Several had made mocking comments about those that would be affected and they simply don't want them to be able to vote---so suppressing those votes works for them. I think that voter suppression should be a concern for both parties, but the voters generally suppressed are democrats. So---not their problem.
Only one type of person fits under the tiny republican tent. They mock us for caring about the less fortunate. I am convinced more than ever that if left in Republican hands, everyone but them will become disenfranchised in some way. They only care about their own. I was hoping it was different. I was hoping that it was the leaders that were over reaching to the dismay of their supporters. Turns out they are all in line.
There are too many scenarios where these laws could suppress valid voters. They don't want to discuss and work through these scenarios. What are republicans so afraid of? These laws are being enacted in republican states---where they ALREADY won the vote! The system worked for them! I think they know they have overreached and angered the independents. Now they must do damage control. It will take years to work out each case in court. However it has become clear that this is a UNIFIED and ORGANIZED effort. In other words, a strategy. That seriously deflates the possiblility that this is about voter fraud and not about voter suppression.
Not one Republican came on here and said: I'm concerned about voter suppression. I'm concerned that these laws may have the uninteded consequence of blocking valid voters. I think we should make sure that when such laws are implemented, we aren't turning aged nuns away at the polls. No instead it was bravado and mocking those that might be affected. And denial that valid voters would be affected even though the accounts have started rolling in.
Ah well. We have no choice but to vote the dems back in.
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NewChapter:
Even without ID's doesn't there have to be SOME kind of identification like mail or something like that?
Please elaborate. In your opinion, what verification of identity should be required at the polling places?
Here in Mississippi, no ID is required. A person must verbally state the name of a registered voter, then he or she is allowed to vote, after signing by the name on the printed list.
WT, in my state utility bills or some type of mail can be used. So a name is matched to an address. Fictional people can't vote. I don't know how they work that out in MS. Perhaps they are more vigilant during registration. I'd have to know more about it. But if a registration is not a valid person there is no one to vote. I'm a wee bit tired, so I don't know if I'm being clear. I know when petitions are signed, they find ficticious signatures. I'm assuming a similiar vetting process is used during registration.
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I sometimes forget to Register before Election days, you get a mail in form at the Voting Site, everything goes smoothly. Voting, imagine us xJWs We Vote! Hurray!!!
NewChapter: The registration process is very thorough, here. You have to prove who you really are to get registered. However, on election day, you can present yourself at the polling place and claim to be anyone who is on the list. So long as they can find the name you verbally give, they allow you to vote.
So in other words, someone has to choose a name on the list. And show up at the polling place that would contain that name. Seems easier to just register permanent absentee.
I'm sorry, I just have to doubt that voter fraud is a big issue. And I'm positive it's not the motivation for the current frenzy of reform. I do find it sad that my right leaning friends are so willing to defend it.
In my state, you only need to register once---as long as you vote every 4 years it stays current. If you change your address then you have to notify them to change your voting district. At least that is what they told me when I called. I'm still too new to have tested this.
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Here you have to reregister when you move.
