Faith and the Bible (page 7)

tec

Michelle,

I thought you were finished on this thread with this:

(the beast out of the sea is social/political "gospel"...the authority comes from "diplomacy"...the beast out of the earth is "pseudo religious"...the authority comes from the unconverted church)...revelation 13:1-18

There is as much sense to the above as there is to any other interpretation of revelations (which is to say that there are as many intepretations of this book as their are denominations of Christianity).

But you might be right in one thing: without the bible, none of us would know that there is no comparison between Vander and I to the story of Annanias and Saphirra - who lied in full knowledge to the Holy Spirit and then dropped dead. Did you ever consider that Vander said the bridge is in, because the bridge IS in? Or at the very least, because he believes the bridge is in? Instead, because he did not say what you wanted him to say (which is to condemn me with his words), then you judge him as lying in full knowledge to God and in danger of dropping dead?

No one has the right or ability to judge/condemn another person. If the ones you are listening to are teaching this, then they are leading you astray.

Please stop judging. Not for my sake (I don't answer to you, so your judgment of me means nothing). But for your own sake (do not judge, or you too will be judged), and for your own peace of heart/mind.

you must not swear by the gold(love) on the alter...but by the alter(Truth) itself.

Now if that is not twisting your own meaning onto a verse, then I don't know what is. Gold has no importance, Michelle. Love on the other hand, is of great importance. Great enough to be included in the first and greatest commandment. If you want to compare the gold to something, then compare it to those who say they represent the altar. Especially to the point where they (the GB, for instance) become more important than that altar (Truth), Himself.

As for the importance of love and the altar:

"Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to our brother then come and offer your gift."

Peace to you,

Tammy

tec

Wow that sounds like an insult.

Nah, Terry just doesn't have or understand faith. And while belief can do all the those things he said, faith can also give hope to those with no hope. Strength to those with no strength. Love to those with no love. Peace to those with no peace.

Peace,

Tammy

Vanderhoven7

When one has biblical faith, one tends to reflect the love and wisdom of Christ. And you are doing a fine job in both departments Tammy.

OnTheWayOut

I can live with that.

Cool. I'm going to just repeat what I stated after that... um... for emphasis ;)

If you have love in you, then He will see it. He has known people who haven't known him personally, before.

Peace, OTWO,

Tammy

Can't let sleeping dogs lie, can ya? So is it good enough to love and live right by others, or do you have to try to 'know' Him? Are Buddhist monks okay by Jesus? How about innocent children of Muslims and Hindus, or their parents? Those questions seem rather important.

Ya see, using the Bible or saying that you have come to know Jesus means most of the following:

You accept that you are a sinner, as defined by the Bible or religion.
You accept that you need some kind of sacrifice for your sins, as set up by the God of the Bible.
You accept that a man named Jesus lived and was much more than a man.
You accept that Jesus (as part of God or son of God) is that sacrifice, yet he is not dead anymore, so you accept a 3-day sacrifice of God to God according to God's rules of sacrifice.

I could go on and on. But this is how it doesn't matter that you are following the Bible or religion yet still claiming Christianity. All these issues must be addressed and you might as well be in a religion, even if you are not attending services. All the above and more leads to allowing something beyond yourself to dictate how to live your life and can even lead to judging/killing/condemning others who reject the same type of lifestyle. You are judging me right now for saying it. I know you are.

Let it go at living good and right by others. I don't need "him" to know me. If that isn't good enough for him, I would rather rot in hell or the grave after this life than kiss his ass thanking him for the 3-day sacrifice to end all suffering that still hasn't ended. If I choose to look at evidence and decide that all the suffering is due to mankind and the world we live in, I am better off than thinking that the God of the old testament set it all in motion over an unfair test in the garden, egged on by a bet with Satan, and has it all settled by now according to the new testament (or faith) but continues to let birth defects and disease strike people down.

Sorry for the rant. Tec, you are one of the few genuine people of faith. Live on as you will, but don't feel a need to add some "Christian" shot after we come to a consensus. I was prepared to skip the rant at "I can live with that." I still can't see the love in him and his father.

N.drew

Isn't it that Jesus gave up his right to do as he pleases so that we can do as we please?

When you say his sacrifice lasted only three days you are lying. His sacrifice remains still.

Once for all time. He was obedient to His Father, that is the sacrifice. Look at it this way, please,

He gave his free will back to his Father so that we, you too, might have free will.

My computer seems to be developing a memory, it is probably my imagination.

Anyone else here plays Penquin Pursuit on Lumosity? If you can't see the brain hop, means your stupid.

OnTheWayOut

If God is real and asks me to live a few years in a ministry and sacrifice my life in some terrible way according to "His will" then will make my name above all others and I can rule as a king for eternity, what kind of sacrifice or giving up of "his" right is that?

Sign me up to be the martyr.

N.drew

Jesus stands for wisdom. OMG, can't have that.

N.drew

Would you be president my dear? Oh, no body guard for you. Or your wife. You want the job?

still thinking

OnTheWayOut...

Can't let sleeping dogs lie, can ya? So is it good enough to love and live right by others, or do you have to try to 'know' Him

What are you talking about here?....you said do you have to try to know him...when tec already said...he has known people who haven't known him. I don't get what you are saying.

Your other argument falls flat from what I can see of your bible difinition of Knowing Jesus...cause tec doesn't rely purely on what the bible says.

What you have written there sounds much more like a religious creed...I don't think tec belongs to any religion.

tec

So is it good enough to love and live right by others, or do you have to try to 'know' Him?

Um... I said just the opposite, I think. I didn't mean anything as a cheap aftershot. It was the very same thing that I said the first time. You just didn't add that part in your quote, and I felt it sort of misrepresented my thoughts on the matter. Not a big deal either way, which is why I added the winky smile.

It was like me saying to any non-believer (who is engaging in this type of discussion) that if you are living in accordance with love and mercy and forgiveness toward others (the spirit of Christ as I know Him) - then no worries... He probably already knows you, by your heart.

You are judging me right now for saying it.

I'm not judging you at all. Not even sure what 'it' is that you are saying. You just sound 'raw' on this topic, and so are misunderstanding what I did say.

No worries though.

Peace,

Tammy

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