Is homosexuality ever justifiable? I say YES!!!

by TimothyT 117 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  clarity

  Tim,.... I'm all for leaving "on your own terms"! Good for you.

  Personally, I hadn't heard about homosexuallity till my 40's. {slow to catch on}and don't really get it. But that's ok because you weren't asking me to!

  The thing I appreciated about you was your maturity regarding your spirituality, and reasonableness explaining your point of view. Kinda refreshing actually!

  Never mind the critics ... there will always be some. As for kindness, there will always be some of that too.

  Miss you on here.

  clarity
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  Anony Mous

  Hey TimothyT,

  I have my own "problems" with my sexuality, you could say even 'orientation'. They're not really problems though, we're just conditioned to believe we are wrong or bad because we do not fit in a certain category 80% of our neighbors fit in. If they're honest with themselves, most have pondered about it at some point in their lives. I would say, my orientation fits 40% of the population but they're still conditioned to believe that to do so is wrong.

  The bible contradicts itself in that matter as it does in a lot of matters. I don't know why you continue clinging to a set of believes that is clearly morally wrong. Again, seek help, seek people of like mind, stop trying to adjust yourself to your JW family or friends - they will not accept you for who you are, only if you fit in their mold will they accept you.

  You are gay, great this is quite common in the animal world. I'm something else, great, this is quite common too. The bible condemns it, well, that's great, nobody cares about the bible anymore, if we did, we would have a lot less people in this world because they would all be stoned to death. Science tells you that it is neither unusual nor wrong, either the religious zealots have to accept the facts or they will remain ignorant and idiots forever about a lot of things.

  It is common though to have your anxiety and panic attacks about it. Get professional help if it's bothering you. Talk to your new friends in your environment, they will certainly try to understand and help you. For every 1 witness that does not accept you there are 999 others of which 60% (if you live in the US) or 599.4 people will accept you for who you are. So go ahead, you have the validation of 600 people for every witness family member you lost.
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  JW GoneBad

  Hey Timothy T: You have a friend in me!

  Que Dieu Vous Bénisse (May God Bless You).
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  TimothyT

  Hello everyone.

  Here's a thought: For the past 9 days I have just lived my life the way that Outlaw and Shamus implied I should, and the 'issue' of homosexuality hasnt even cropped up in my mind. I have just gone about my daily business and spent this weekend with Jack my boyfriend. It was fab. This week I worked, I read an autobiography, read some Psalms, greeted my parents back from their holiday and took Jack out for lunch, etc. It was a pretty average week but I have noticed that the issue of gayness hasnt even existed because I havnt brought it up. Nor has anyone else. Why? Because we dont care!

  I think Im getting this now. Its only an issue if its brought up in my mind. Frankly, I dont care anymore about it. I love who I am, and I respect everyone for whoever they want to be. If they have a problem with me then thats fine by me. I tend to laugh it off these days.

  I have managed to make sense of everything and get my head around it all. I have more important things to deal with now!

  Thanks for all your help. x

  Timmy.

  ps. strymeckirules, personaly im not interested in sex. Its about love and companionship to me. I love the feeling that I get when i know someone else has a deep love for me.
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  Quendi

  Timmy, you're figuring it out and I'm happy for you and Jack. The issue is whether you are comfortable in your own skin. If you are, then it doesn't matter what other people think. And you are absolutely right to say that it's all about love and companionship, not about having sex with anyone in particular. It's still early in your relationship with Jack, but both of you have all my best wishes for your future together.

  Because of all the negative stresses that are put on LGBT people, getting to the point you have reached is a very difficult journey. It involves two stages. First, the person has to admit his or her true nature. Second, that person must then accept it. Once those two stages are accomplished, the person can then make the kind of progress that will bring much joy and happiness in life. That is where I am and I now look to the future with anticipation and confidence.

  I am glad that you have continued sharing with us on this board. Recent postings to this thread have proved there are others among us who appreciate what you have. You have given them hope and courage. There are others who do not understand what the issues are or why they are important. We can hope that full comprehension will come to them in time. But regardless of whether it does or not, the important thing now is to follow Christ's teachings as laid down in the Sermon on the Mount and obey what he said were the two greatest commandments: to love God with all we have and our neighbors as ourselves. Loving oneself is a command, and without that self-love we cannot truly love anyone else. You are cultivating that and have seen how it has improved your relationships with others.

  Quendi
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  shamus100

  Timmy,

  It's a funny thing - being gay in todays day and age really means little, yet the backwards thinking botchtower organization makes you feel like you just need to pray more and things will be just fine. Marry a girl, have a kid, and live happily ever after. Unfortunately, many people find out later that they just can't live a lie any longer.

  JWN is not homophobic at all, and you are most welcome to post anything you want. ;) There's a few rogue posters out there but don't pay any attention to them.

  It's funny to be out all these years and see how far I have come, and it makes me shake my head that I ever tried to live that lie.
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  Wasanelder Once

  Ok Tim you're gay. Go and sin no more. Lose the struggle for acceptance. Accept yourself and move on. All the best.
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  snare&racket

  The bible condemns homosexuality.....

  The bible condones genocide, slavery, sexism, rape, murder, torture, infanticide, kidnap, incest, racism, elitism, war.... And homophobia.

  but Christians only see one sin in that list.....

  Get a new list, better yet, make your own. Morality is innate, it is a considered value for the betterment of self and the group. Homosexuality does no harm, does no ill will and is natural. It is seen in most animals and in similar ratios to heterosexuals.

  To those that are good enough to now accept it is not the fault of the gay person (wow well done you and wow because 20 years ago you wouldn't have said that), but encourage people like Time to battle it out with prayer. Do you realise what you are saying? You are telling him to ignore his genetics, you are telling him WHO YOU ARE IS WRONG. Do you also realise its impossible? It is NO DIFFERENT to me saying to you, its unnatural to like women, fight it, don't ever do it and pray for help with it. You may as well tell a dog to not lick its balls. You can't switch that kind of crap off. You are right however, the bible says god made us, the bible says dont sin, the bible says sinners will spend forever in a lake of fire, the bible says being gay is a sin...... Ever thought the bible may be bullcrap ? Give it a go!
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  MelbourneAustralia

  I say listen to your heart and the voice of the holy spirit and if they are in agreement, then being gay / homosexual is fine and your own business. Besides I do not believe that every single thing should be the business of other brothers and sisters, only matters of sharing Jehovah's love and plan for salvation. First and foremost we are not to be in the business of judgeing others for the way they were born, which is beyond their control. If they express their sexual feelings in a loving union then that is fine with me. I pray that the light will get brighter on this subject and others will come to this conclusion.
  
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  Jonathan Drake

  I've not read the pages yet, but in response to the OP:

  I don't feel that the bible actually condemns homosexuals. In Ephesians Paul was writing to Christians, and he was writing to Christians who are part of the little flock. (The bible does actuall specify a separation between a smaller flock of king priests in heaven and a innumerable crowd on earth- however the number 144,000 being literal I think is highly unlikely). This is why he said that if they practiced such things they would not INHERIT the kingdom. This little flock rules over the kingdom, they inherit it as a possession. The innumerable crowd does not own the kingdom, they are part of it and thus part of what is inherited and owned. Therefore the scripture in Ephesians wasn't even addressing the common citizen of gods kingdom (in my opinion).

  i find it very difficult to believe that a loving God would force a person or expect a person to deny themselves love for ther e tore lived because they are attracted to the same sex. If it was a immoral looseness, like having illicit sex all the time with all sorts of people then I would say that's wrong regardless of gender (in my opinion according to scripture). But, I personally doubt very much that a loving God would kill someone for being gay when they are good hearted and honest people- even IF it were to turn out that it is wrong for everyone and my above opinion is incorrect.