Jesus Christ was INVENTED?

by sizemik 102 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • tec
    tec

    Good grief, just look at all the books on the subject of spirituality, christianity...religion. People are supposed to sift through this information and KNOW what is true and what isn't. Even the different interpretations/translations of the bible make it difficult to know what is true and what isn't.

    Yes, I know. People muddying the waters so the simple truth... look to Christ... gets lost. Then people have to try and sift through all that crap. Like this... like the christ-mythers.... just one more layer of mud, covering up the truth.

    And then there are the poor buggers who have not even been exposed to christianity...poor them

    I think you know how I feel about that. but again, this is yet another ex ample of the waters being muddied by the misteachings/lies/misunderstandings of men.

    You're right though, Still... it shouldn't be such an e x ercise to get to know God. But it actually isn't. He even sent an image of Himself to us, so that we could look to that ONE and see Him. See Christ, see God. But all the "e x perts" and "religious leaders/teachers" have muddied the waters with all their doctrines and rules and 'knowledge', when it really is as simple as looking at Christ. We are the ones getting in our own way.

    My simple advice : just throw everything that everyone else says about God away. Then look at Christ. Listen for Him. It is so much easier to tell truth from lie when you actually know the truth. (Christ) It's so much easier to see how simple the truth is when the 'mud' in the water is gone. Throw even your worries away... and trust yourself to God. That's what I did. I share with you, because I did it, and everything became so much simpler with JUST Christ. I was wading through all the mud too, for a long time... but when I stopped listening to all those throwing mud in the water, and just put myself in the hands of God, things got so much more simple.

    I'll share another story with you before I end this post. When I studied with the witnesses, and they introduced the trinity to me (to take it apart), I had no peace from the moment they introduced the idea. I searched that bible for proof that it wasn't true. Searched and searched and I got so mad because I wanted proof that it wasn't there, and couldn't find it. Then I searched for undeniable proof that it was true... and I couldn't find that either. I was soooo mad. The closest I've ever been to shaking my fist at God (and I think I might even have done that). Why don't you just make it simple???? If the trinity is true, why not just say so in black and white simple language (or vice versa)????!!!! Why don't you just tell me what you want me to do and believe and I'll do it!!!????

    But you know what?

    I was the one letting myself get bogged down in something that He had nothing to do with and did not teach. You can't prove something that doesn't e x ist... and if it was true, it would have been so easy to state it in black and white. (there are many who would argue with me, but I'm hoping that you're getting my point. I was listening to what other people were saying or arguing or debating (a non-issue), instead of just looking at Christ. Something simple that men had made difficult/mysterious... and that is not God's fault. Because the simple truth (Christ) was right there in front of me, and I chose to look around at all the 'mud' instead. I didn't know any better, but I asked for help, and I did get it... I had to stop listening to others first though, because that makes it kind of hard to hear from the truth)

    Hope that helps at least a little,

    Peace to you,

    Tammy

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    If that is the case Aguest...then why, after years of prayer (and not just JW prayer by the way)...and serching have I come to the point where I am more confused about the whole thing? and it makes less and less sense the more I look at it?

    Praying to WHOM, dear one... and THROUGH whom? I realize that "people" will tell you that it doesn't make a difference, but your own experience (and theirs!) should tell you that that's not entirely true.

    Was I not good enough?

    Oh, no, dear one, that's not it at ALL!

    Was I not honest hearted enough?

    I don't THINK that was it, dear one... based on my own heart at the time... and since...

    Did he read my heart and decide I wasn't worthy?

    None of us are worthy, dear one. That's it's UNdeserved kindness. Mercy. And not works, per se...

    Not enough faith?

    That could be a factor. It goes back to my first question: praying to... and going THROUGH... WHOM? Who do you have faith IN?

    What possible reason could there be to allow someone who loved him to wander away? Oh, guess it's my fault.

    Wait. Think about what you just wrote: "allow" someone who LOVED him... "to wander away"? If that someone LOVED him... why did THEY wander away?? Even so, why have you "allowed" yourself to believe he wouldn't come after you? Who has written WHO off, dear one?

    Dear Still... the Most Holy One of Israel doesn't leave us - we leave Him. Most often, we are MISLED away from Him! By those who "seat themselves in the seat of Moses," those "hired men" to ACT like they have some authority over the sheep, but really don't. The sheep don't belong to THEM... so they don't care WHERE they lead the sheep... even if it's into the pit. Or whether they abandon the sheep... even if it leaves the sheep vulnerable to being snatched and scattered by wolves. THEY don't give a flying flip about the sheep... no matter WHAT they say.

    Because if they DID... they would lead the sheep to ONE place: the "Door" to the sheepfold. The "Door" they must go through... to get home, back into the fold/pen... where they are properly fed and watered.

    Thing is, I can share all of this with you... but where are YOU? In a place to go, "You know, maybe I didn't look where I should have (actually, at WHOM I should have)? Or in a place to go, "Nope, I'm done. Don't care. Ain't lookin' no more, so..."

    THAT choice is yours, dear one... and no one else's. No one can tell you what to do... and no one can MAKE you do anything. God... and Christ... won't. Why? Because, it's just as my Lord said to woman who said to HIM, "If you just WANTED to, you could make me well." The Most Holy One of Israel wants us to WANT to find Him... and be found by Him. NOT do it because others say we should... we must... or He's going to violently punish us somehow. Who would WANT to serve a God who's SO self-serving that He would kill anyone who didn't serve Him???

    Yes, I know... folks paint Him that way. But look at Christ... based on what you DO know: do you see such an attitude in HIM? If not, then there is NO WAY you can see it... in God. Can't happen. The ONLY way you could see something like in the True God, the Most Holy One of Israel... is if you look at what others have written about Him... or what others say about Him. If you look at... and listen to... what CHRIST did... and said... then... and what he does and says NOW... you will see... and hear... the Most Holy of Israel, JAH of Armies.

    It's like Perseus, dear one... who had to look in a shield in order to gaze on Medusa: if you look at Christ, the shield... you will see, in him, he who is the "reflection" of God... God.

    If you WANT to look, that is. Not because I... or anyone else... say you should... or must.

    Of course, those who lack faith... or don't believe at all... or want you to climb up some other place with them... will tell you to dismiss what I've shared with you. They will tell you that what I've shared is just another load of melarkey... or some "demonic" attempt to get you to follow me. Let me say to you, dear one... there is no benefit to you AT ALL... in following me. I am just a servant. I am neither the Door... nor the way to that One, either. I am just a voice calling out in the wilderness, echoing the voice of my Lord, that says, "THIS way, you people!" The way, however, is him... and my arm in pointed in HIS direction... not my own. I could fall into the pit my own self; no one but my Lord knows.

    Do NOT follow me. Please... if you decide to do so, listen to... and follow... the Lamb. Wherever HE goes.

    I hope that helps, dear Still, truly... and, again, peace to you!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    everything became so much simpler with JUST Christ

    Amen... and amen, dear tec. And amen, once again. Peace to you, dear one... and may the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, continue to bless you... and your household... through His Son, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, His Chosen One (MischaJah)... whom we call "Christ."

    Again, the greatest of love and peace to you!

    Your servant, sister, and fellow slave of that Holy One,

    SA

  • tec
    tec

    Shelby

    Peace and love to you and yours also!

    Your sister in Christ,

    Tammy

  • Joey Jo-Jo
    Joey Jo-Jo

    AGuest, why did God do such a terrible job on passing his message? Look at all beliefs and wars, all in the name of God.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Why do you assumeGod did that, dear 3-J (peace to you!)? To the contrary, He made it as easy as possible: for those with faith... ONE person. His Son. For those without... well, there IS Moses... and the Prophets. But wouldn't it be easier to just put one's faith in the One they put THEIR faith in?

    The false prophets and false christs (Matthew 24:24) aren't HIS doing, dear one. Like human kings, they are what man, for the most part, "wants."

    Again, peace to you!

    A slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Joey Jo-Jo
    Joey Jo-Jo

    Thanks SA,

    But most religions are not of the anti-Christ, most genuily believe to be the true religion and they do this out of good intentions, but letting the bible speake for itself has caused (and will continue to) devisions, also, there are scientific contradictions, letters in the bible that contradict others such as Matthew and Paul, then we have the OT and the latter Talmud that reads about some interesting things of Jesus,etc,etc,etc.

    What made me question the bible was the bible itself, I went from Genesis to Joshua, this was my "stumbling block", Why a talking snake and donkey?(allegory or not), why God was such a brute to Moses, Aaron and his son and his tribe?, why the blood and guts? why was God so interested in gold? why did God have traces of being human?,etc

    You find it simple, I find it very hard to grasp, and yet what many try to make sense is silent in the bible.

  • sizemik
    sizemik
    The false prophets and false christs (Matthew 24:24) aren't HIS doing, dear one. Like human kings, they are what man, for the most part, "wants."

    I don't understand how you can make such a conclusion Shelby . . .

    I would have thought the prevalence of religion with it's plethora of false Christs and prophets would indicate that man "wants" a true savior.

    If man is instead actually deliberately looking for falsehoods and deceivers ie; "wanting" them . . . is that because we're made that way? . . . or is their some other reason? It seems a very scathing appraisal of God's beloved creation . . . for which the creation must now take full responsibility.

    Somehow it seems a familiar dilemma . . . just put another way.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Are we just to dismiss all these common elements in myths around the world? Maybe it shows some spiritual unity underlying things. A God imprint, maybe. College classes, grad classes, and seminary classes about Jesus and the common myths are a dime a dozen. The classes alone are a growth industry. Jung is cool with the archetypes.

    I can't believe in a Cecil B. DeMille Jesus with sparkling blue eyes and blonde hair with no Jewish features. If the magic were toned down a bit, it would be more believeable. So I take an intermediate position with regards to Christ. As amazing as Leo may be, you don't need all that razzle dazzle. YOU don't need to read any language to understand the fundamentals--the core of Christianity.

    There is American exceptionalism. There is Christian exceptionalism. Maybe there is Islamic exceptionalism. People seem to view life through European eyes.

    I tend to think that modernity brought sophisticated thinking which is stupid to believe. The Iliad and the Odyssey are amazing. The Bible is an amazing collection of different genres, some sly. Not having modern technology did not mean that the people in the olden days were not wise. John writes theology. I wonder if the gospel writers actually believed the story literally. They certainly added/subtracted portions to heighten their themes. Why do we assume that they were intended to be literal?

    People with whom there was no known trade developed similar religious ideas. It amazes me. How many people must die in ridiculous disputes?

    C.S. Lewis discusses something similar in Mere Christianity: the commonality of moral codes through the earth.

    If I were born in the Middle East or Asia, what are the chances that I would be Christian? Minimal. So Christ came to save only Europeans. Makes no sense.

  • designs
    designs

    The Power Of Myth by Joseph Campbell

    Addresses the commonality of the Hero figure.

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