Self Esteem (page 8)

Valentine

hi again larc,
Well,yes maybe you didn't find it but others have.And his critics most certainly stae that. Why don't you check that out when you have access to that database? It's there.And no he never blew Freud away.
And yes you won't find me in 39. I am a student affiliate. In fact it's eerie you mentioned that as I received notification that i'm late on several division renewals.(thanks for reminding me)
And since you're checking,see if im listed in Div49 Group Psychotherapy as that membership is current lol.BTW,you need to be a member to access that info.
So you must agree that blacks are intellictually inferior?
you agree smoking doesn't cause lung cancer?
You agree all human actions are not within the realm of human consciousness?
you agree that there is a physiological explanation for every disorder?
You seem extremely biased reagrding this and not at all open and objective . not the hallmark of a scientist,is it?
And yes my notes clear on factor analysis.

Todays Affirmation:
The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working.

larc

Tina,

You are starting to unravel on me. Now, tell me please, what is factor analysis and how did he use it? Your notes are wrong. He did not use it in his survey on therapy. He used it to develope a personality test. How often to I have to repeat myself.

Why are you listing crazy shit and ask if I believe it? Can you read? I said that there were a lot of crazy ideas back then. Now, take a deep breath and read carefully and take notes if you have too. I often take notes.

How can you be a student affiliate when the requirenments for such are to be in graduate school and you only have two years of college?

Valentine

What in the hell is your prob this evening larc? Pizza go down the wrong way? And no you do not have to be a grad student. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'm a member have been for a few years,you dont believe it tuff shit. I don't lie and bullshit on this board,but if you want to imply that I do-you can go fuck yourself.(and for the record for anyone else I have more than 2 yrs,and am a continuing adult student,w/ scads of CEU's in my field) What's the matter can't have your personal icon criticized

Since you're starting this conflict let me tell you,for a guy that 'supposed' to have a PhD,you are one of the most out of touch person w/ lots of limited info and insights. I guess i can call your assholeness into question too.
I'm through w/ you on this board. Tina-dismissive wave of the hand class.

Todays Affirmation:
The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that the conspiracy is working.

larc

Well Tina,

I read the rules and the rules state that you have to be a graduate student. Now, if you want to show me something to the contrary, that will be just fine.

Now, regarding the other subjects, you are waving your hand goodbye, because you don't have a clue as to the reality of what I am talking about. You don't know what factor analysis is, how it is used or what it means. Now, you can do a search and find some information, but of course, I will ask you specifics which you simply can not answer regarding factor analysis. That would also apply to a number of other subjects, such as the importance of meta analysis in outcome research in Clinical Psychology.

larc

Tina,

What a way with words you have. What elegance, what class, what professionalism. My favorites are: "go fuck yourself" and "your assholedness." Very well done, gentle lady.

waiting

tiptoeing in...........

The first time I had the pleasure of have a EEG done (about age 27 - having severe panic attacks) - the neurologist asked me some questions about myself.

I said I had a "bad temper." He asked me why? I said: I don't know - I just know I do.

Then he asked me specifics:

Did I throw plates? No.
Did I throw my kids? No.
Did I have restraining orders against me? No.
Did I ever have confrontations in public? No.
Did I ever hit anyone? No.
Did I ever yell? Yes.
Did I stomp my feet? Yes.
Did I kick things? Yes. What? Things like doors which can't break or be hurt.

etc. etc. Interestingly, he didn't consider husband/wife yelling as a true sign of a "bad temper." Nor slamming cabinet doors or kicking toys (without kids attached).

He helped me conclude I have an average temper - like most people. Nothing "bad" about it - just human. Just guessing - I would think that his approach to me would be Ellis style? I had irrational thoughts - and he questioned me, challenged me, to get a more realistic viewpoint of one area of my self-esteem - my self-perceived "bad temper."

waiting

joelbear

My parents pretty much ignored my emotional and mental needs growing up. They took good care of me physically. I was never hungry or cold. I lived an independent life away from home since I was very uncomfortable at home. My best times were out in the woods with my playmates away from the house. I think they truly believed that taking me to the Kingdom Hall was supposed to take care of any problems I might have. Mom still suggests that as the cure all.

I grew up despising myself because I am a homosexual. When my friends and family rejected me it simply confirmed my worthlessness to myself.

I was in the top 10 of my high school graduating class, have a 3.75 college GPA and have had a successful career in banking. These are all meaningless to me.

I've done years of therapy and most anti-depressant drugs that are available to no avail. Almost every day at some point in the day I consider suicide.

I had a panic attack this morning at my doctor's office. I calmed myself down by telling myself I could commit suicide to make the mental anguish go away.

I think the reasons for my situation are complex. I've driven most of my friends away with my negativism. I cannot feel love from others. When people express their love for me or anything positive about me I tense up.

I'm very tired. I think that literally some people are just not meant to make it in life. I truly wish there were euthenasia centers to just put people like me out of our misery so we can stop contributing to the misery and discomfort of others.

I cannot center myself as far as having any self esteem. I'm 44 now and have certainly had plenty of time to work it out by now.

Get over it? I agree that's good advice. I suppose I could fly too if I could flap my arms hard enough.

I'm continuing to pray about it.

We'll see how long I can survive.

Joel

gravedancer

ashitaka

Joel,

I have a friend who is almost exactly like you. If fact, in describing yourself, you described him, except for the homosexuality. (Although he's made several comments that leads me to believe that he may be.)

I love the guy but this poor fella cannot accept people's love for him.

He had a tremendous nervous breakdown, and he's been unable to work for then years. Almost everyone has abandoned him because of his negativity. He has only myself, my wife and another friend left. I want so badly to help him appreciate himself, but he just refuses to.

Joel, don't make the mistakes my friend is, try to appreciate yourself, it's the only thing that's going to work.

My friend, too, has run the gammet of treatments and therapies. Nothing has worked for him. Yet, this man's intellect is amazing. I just don't know how to help him.

So Joel, I know exactly what you are going through, just not from my own experience. I know it's hell for you, but hang in there.

My friend mentions suicide but then tells me not to say anything after. He says that suicide keeps him honest, and that he needs to have that option to keep him sane, because he is so medically depressed.

Joel, I think that in the end only you can help yourself, and no religion, drugs or people can help. Perhaps seeing another professional may help, one who deals with alternative treatments that aren't embarrassing or ponderous.

I'm very passionate about this because my friend and I haven't spoken about personal things to eachother in years, because he says that art is his only means of expression because the rest of him is dead....and he won't get help.

Help yourself, Joel, because I'd hate to see you end up like my friend.

ashi

joelbear

Ashi,

I'm trying but I'm very tired.

I agree with your friend that knowing that suicide is an option is many times the only thing that keeps me sane. I keep saying, if it gets to be too much you can stop the pain. I'm in a lot of pain today.

I wish I didn't feel that way, but I can't remember ever feeling any other way.

Self Esteem

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