The Two Forces (page 9)

Knowsnothing

N.drew, anit-christ is defined completely different in the bible. Merely rejecting christ makes one an anti-christ.

sabastious

Sab - you are starting to do that WEirD RanDOM CapiTALising thinG, please sTOp bEFOrE its tOO laTe.

It might be weird, but it's not random.

-Sab

N.drew

anit-christ is defined completely different in the bible. Merely rejecting christ makes one an anti-christ.

I think that the bible doesn't define anything.

Can you please define what that post means?

de·fine (d-fn)

v. de·fined, de·fin·ing, de·fines v.tr. 1. a. To state the precise meaning of (a word or sense of a word, for example). b. To describe the nature or basic qualities of; explain: define the properties of a new drug; a study that defines people according to their median incomes. 2. a. To delineate the outline or form of: gentle hills that were defined against the sky. b. To specify distinctly: define the weapons to be used in limited warfare. 3. To give form or meaning to: "For him, a life is defined by action" (Jay Parini). v.intr.

Maybe definition 3 can be applied to bible but I think "give" should be changed to "imply".

N.drew

Merely rejecting christ makes one an anti-christ.

I only know what I know and I know the members of my family are not anti-christs.

God is hardly begging for attention.

Knowsnothing

So, God speaks directly to you then? The bible, of course, is absolutely useless then.

N.drew

And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. 1 John 5:20

1271 diánoia (from 1223 /diá, "thoroughly, from side-to-side," which intensifies 3539 /noiéo, "to use the mind," from 3563 /noús, "mind") – properly, movement from one side (of an issue) to the other to reach balanced-conclusions; full-orbed reasoning (= critical thinking), i.e. dialecticalthinking that literally reaches "across to the other side" (of a matter).

1271 /diánoia ("critical thinking"), literally "thorough reasoning," incorporates both sides of a matter to reach a meaningful (personal) conclusion. Such "full-breadth reasoning" is essential to loving (25 /agapáo) the Lord and our neighbor (see Mk 12:30). It is also the instrument of self-destruction when exercised without God's light and power (Lk 1:51; Eph 2:3, 4:18; Col 1:21).

the Son of God...has given us understanding

God does not speak directly to me. I trust HIM. He trusts me.

N.drew

The bible, of course, is absolutely useless then.

Who are these people who live at the mental EXTREMES?

sabastious

So, God speaks directly to you then? The bible, of course, is absolutely useless then.

/facepalm

The Torah was originally written for Rabbis to read and interpret in a sermon type setting (have an audience) preceded and followed by personal and group ritual. The Greek Scriptures were written in a similar vein of philosophy, but with the Christian twist with a Priest/Saint Guide Title/Interpretor instead of Rabbi. When the Bible Cannon was selected it was selected for the Clergy's eyes only because the commoners were not yet trusted with relics of ancient wisdom. Interpretation of sacred text is part of every culture that has sacred texts.... N Drew is just one of millions of people before her who have taken on such a task.

-Sab

N.drew

I did finally answer my note. That's code. I'm not a spy. I mean I don't think I am. Haha I just got it.

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You can scratch your head, if you want to. And if you can't, I wish you could.

Now THAT'S wibble.

get a clue

bioflex

Very interesting topic. Let me add a few to the discussion.

@Ndew: have you ever wondered why man(any) cant see God? even Adam and Eve when they knew so sin were still not capable of seeing him. The problem lies in the flesh. The kind of flesh we have is our limitation in comprehending the magnificence of God, just think about the sun, how close do you think a human can get before being oblerated. So in our mortal state humans are meant to die at a point in time regardless of relationship to sin, our only sustenance was the Tree of life which was in the garden of eden. It was that which could give life(even eternal) and to make whole all infirmities of our human nature. And that tree was/ is Jesus Christ. But Christ fact that Christ has no relationship with devil/ sin is the reason Adam and Eve could not partake of him(The tree) after they sinned.

There is no way any man can live a perfect life free from sin in our current nature. Sin is built right into our DNA, its built into our thoughts and there is no denying it. Our only freedom from sin is through Christ. And that will come in flesh that is incoruptible, spiritual. Then and only then will we be free, and also be capable of seeing God.

Now talkin about the sun, who knows if its going to last forever, its only there as long as there is reason for it to be. And when its purpose is achieved its going to pass away just like this current earth is destined to. That is why the JW idea of an earthly(this earth) paradise is delutional. How are we supposed to see God, how are we supposed to have that personal and intimate relationship with him.

Revelation 21:3(KJV)- And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God

Its only in the New literal heaven and earth, Not symbolic as the WT$ claim.

Revelation 21:1(KJV)- And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Unless perhaps the WT$ god was to dry the 70% of sea and fill them with stone or something.

Hope i can keep up with the topic.

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