The Two Forces (page 12)

tec

Paul says that Eve was honestly deceived into eating the poisonous tree (not really "free will") - and God did not prevent her.

He did, by warning her not to eat it. He did not take away her choice (her free will) to do as she chose, despite his teaching. Also Adam was there. He was not decieved... and he did nothing to try and stop her.

That is a very Jewish view - I personally believe people can have free will without the "proof" of some temptation. The "proof" of free will in human society to me is creativity, social advancement, scientific learning, and so on - not obeying a command from a god or a

snake about a poisonous tree.

Let me make my last statement more clear, lol:

It could have been prevented if free will had NOT been given.

It doesn't really have anything to do with 'proof' of some temptation showing that we are given free will. Just a natural consequence of free will.

Peace,

Tammy

tec

I don't think they are the same tree, Nancy, though I agree that they do contain one 'same' element - good/life.

Have to go do some running around for a couple hours. Be back soon.

Peace,

Tammy

james_woods

Here's my take on Adam and Eve in the Garden. The author wanted to say that God is a real son-of-a-bitch if you don't obey him.

That's the way I read it too.

It also supports my theory that the tree is the same as the tree of life. Does it not?

It seems to me that there is a logical breakdown - you HAD to eat from the tree of life to live forever - you MUST NOT eat from the tree of knowledge to live forever.

That would tell me that if they were the same tree - then Adam and Eve were up shit creek without a paddle.

N.drew

I have a question to beg.

Was "eye" translated as the organ that sees tangible things ever in the sacred writting an eye that discerns spiritual things? Was it changed?

When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:6

N.drew

Haha! _______________!

Yes. Everlasting life can be had by pleasing God who is love. Do no harm. Will I do harm? I have to KNOW. No, you do not have to know. If you do, you will die, if you don't you (might) live forever. Indefinite life. You must not become aware that you might choose not to obey love. OK?

james_woods

Also Adam was there. He was not decieved... and he did nothing to try and stop her.

I always thought that the standard interpretation of the story was that the serpent tempted eve and got her to eat it while Adam was NOT there.

She told him later, and induced him to eat it too.

N.drew

When Delilah saw that he had told her all that was in his heart, she sent and called the lords of the Philistines, saying, "Come up once more, for he has told me all that is in his heart." Then the lords of the Philistines came up to her and brought the money in their hands. Judges 16:18

When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way with his drawn sword in his hand, the donkey turned off from the way and went into the field; but Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back into the way. Numbers 22:23

When she saw that she was determined to go with her, she said no more to her. Ruth 1:18

The same verb "saw" that is used at Genesis can mean either literally saw with a person's eyes or figuratively saw as in discern.

I think the original says "saw with her figurative eye" because it's logical.

It is the phenomenon that Satan showed Jesus. Matthew 4:8

"Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory;"

That is what she "saw" when she kept looking at the "tree".

And she kept looking at "the tree of life" and then ate from it it BECAME "the tree of the knowledge of good and bad."

james_woods

And she kept looking at "the tree of life" and then ate from it it BECAME "the tree of the knowledge of good and bad."

Well, that is not what the scripture says, but I guess if you want to make up your own version - then feel free. Somebody had to make up the original as well, because it never literally happened.

N.drew

No Mr.Woods. You are wrong.

Account number one has no tree of either life or knowledge. Why? There was no history yet. It isn't rocket science, you know. It is?

Account number two has a tree of life! I think it means "humans living". The ALLNESS. Let us call it that. Hell, why not?

Please show me how the written word says they are two different trees and I will be very very happy to aquiesce.

"tree of life in the midst of the garden, tree of knowledge of good and evil". http://biblos.com/genesis/2-9.htm

Sigh. It's the same as knowing the future. Oh, I wonder why that would be bad?? Hmmmm

A puzzle for sure.

Haha

That's mojo, I have it! That was well hidden.

N.drew

Your not laughing

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