This Made Me So Thankful I am No Longer A Christian (page 12)

N.drew

How does this believer find peace in herself loving The God that kills babies? Well, I shall offer you an illustration. If you were born into a warring family, take your pick, how old are you before you hate your daddy for causing terrible death? Not a fighting family (God bless them). I'm talking about the family type that cause war. When would you who complain about YHWH disassociate yourself from your family who profits from war? would you?

designs

Michelle- Haven't you read the Book Of Mormon, everything we need to know is explained in the BOM

N.drew

BTW Band on the Run, what is your greater good? When you cause hurt, why do you do it?

Band on the Run

The greater good is certainly love, compassion and respect. It would also encompass not being smug about human suffering. Frankly, what dialogue can exist between my private, changeable Christ and being part of a tradition that has always found suffering unbearable. It takes smugness to not question suffering. I read extensively and talked to many people in different walks of life during my illness. There are no answers. Sometimes being part of a community asking questions is more impt than neat answers that do not reflect community beliefs about the Bible, tradition, shared struggles.

I never believed Jesus was groovy. Also, if every human has a personal revelation so disparate from anyone else, the church is but a cacophony of meaningless sounds.

We are not going to change each other. Time to tone down the rhetoric. Cry if someone writes something against your thoughts and not yourself.

N.drew

I think you missed a post. And Oh my goodness, (N.drew sees what she wants to see?) Seems you want to see me "crying". Haha I'm far far away from crying. I wonder why you would say... Cry if someone writes something against your.... But I'm sure as the rain you will say "I didn't mean cry tears!" LOL. Thanks. I would rather laugh a happy laugh, but evil laugh will suffice.

Please answer my question that says if your daddy was a war monger at what age of yourself would you disassociate yourself from him?

Also Band you seem to call your pain "unbearable" but I can see you are doing quite well functioning. How do you explain that people function under "unbearable" circumstances?

BTW everybody when I hit a cord, and all you can say is "cry baby", that is really really stupid.

tec

I don't like your beliefs but they are your right. You don't like mine. Your post about the benefits of suffering was over the top in ignorance and hurtfulness. Despite viewing things differently, I don't want you to experience what I did or what others here going thru cancer treatments, Parkinsons, MS, have. There are gradations of suffering. Ask the people who leaped to their deaths at the WTC if suffering was good. Certainly, our tradition teaches us that God is powerful. Omnipotent. He can teach us lessons in nicer ways.

Band, I did not say that suffering was good. I said that some good can come out of some suffering, so there is a benefit to it in some cases. Not all cases. Every case is unique. In some cases, suffering is simply part of the physical world that lives and dies. In some, suffering is simply a consequence of our action or inaction. such as every act of suffering that comes from war) Sometimes we don't see the full effect of our actions (environmental, spills, disasters that are man-made) for another generation or two; and those come out in disease and defects and who knows what else that even WE don't know about yet. I have suffered in my life. Not with a major disease or major pain. Other types of suffering. I do not blame God. It never even entered my mind (until the many threads here put it there, and then I had to reason through it... and I end up back where I started; not even thinking about blaming God). Peace, Tammy

Band on the Run

I did not function while in pain. It is a long road back. My pain has a 95% suicide rate. I spent my formerly highly functional life curled up in a fetal position. Routine tasks were impossible. The only reason I am alive is that I became so functional after leaving the Witnesses. Part of me believes Christ aided me. It could just be coincidence, too. I simply could not believe that Christ would bring me so far to abandon me. Of course, the Holocaust victims, the terminally ill were abandoned. I was no better. B/c of the Witnesses, I am terrified of death. My logical mind says one thing but my fears project something else.

I don't like playing more afflicted as a contest. It is a contest I do not want to win. You don't seem to relate to suffering at all.

I have no clue about father and war mongering. An extra phrase would be nice.

This is becoming too personal and we are no longer discussing the thread. And Americans and Christians wonder why they are not liked by the whole world.

N.drew

I am an American and Christain and I never have wondered why Americans and Christains are not liked by the world.

I have no clue about father and war mongering. An extra phrase would be nice.

Your biological father and family head, he being married to your mother makes his living selling fire arms that are then used to kill and maim. Would you disown the man who is your father? If you would disown him, how old do you think you would be before you could make the decision to hate him? And of course god haters would not accept the inheritance, that's a given.

Please accept my sincere apology for not getting my college degree in logic. But I think the question is the same whether I had my doctor's degree and had wrote 100 books. But I'm sure it would be more wordy.

N.drew

Had written? LOL!!

Thank you Band for being my fall guy.

I'm sorry about your pain. You described it well. That is how I felt too.

I thought that the saying child birth pain is something that can hardly get worse. That's not true. I have had both.

rebel8

When no evidence is required for assertions, it is impossible to have a meaningful discussion.

This Made Me So Thankful I am No Longer A Christian

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