My message to the Governing Body - The Results of the 2011 Global Survey

by cedars 54 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cedars
    cedars

    Fernando - thanks for those sentiments. I too am dubious about the merits or likelihood of meeting with the Governing Body, but you can be assured that, in the virtually-impossible event of it happening, I would stick very firmly to the position expressed in my letter.

    big mac - cheers for taking part, I appreciate it!

    flipper - I agree that, as things stand, most Witnesses unknowingly worship under the Governing Body rather than alongside them. However, I'm sure you can understand the need for diplomacy in how things are worded in a document that will be read by both active and former Witnesses alike! Thanks so much for your words of support, I appreciate it.

    The results are now on 146 downloads, great stuff!

    Cedars

  • hotspur
    hotspur

    Done... good job!

  • cedars
    cedars

    Thanks hotspur!

    We're now on about 230 votes, so making steady progress!

    Cedars

  • Amelia Ashton
    Amelia Ashton

    Amelia - thanks so much for taking the survey! I mentioned you in the results PDF, but I was reluctant to mention you by name incase you didn't appreciate the attention! Sorry if that was a bad call...

    It's all good thanks Cedars.

    There was brother who sang in bars for a living in Spain (not approved of even though one of the bars was actually owned by a Jehovah's Witness!?) and part of his repertoire was R.E.M. Losing My Religion and Everybody Hurts.

    Amelia xxx

  • jws
    jws

    Nice stuff and great analysis Cedar.

    I wonder though, what this really says about current JWs. You've got to admit that for the most part, anybody who comes to your site and takes the survey already has doubts of some kind to be on the internet looking up JW stuff - and for being so bold as to take the survey. So you're not getting an accurate sampling of JWs and what their opinions might be.

    There have got to be many JWs who would never search on this and/or never take the survey. And their answers if they did take the survey, would align 100% with loyal JW answers. And I believe the vast percentage of loyal JWs would not take your survey.

    It also seems a fallacy to assume that those that claim to be active are truly your typical JW. There are many here on this site that may still be in and going through the motions for sake of friends and family and are technically still publishers, but in their heart they believe something completely different. Maybe another category might be active, but only for family/friends and don't believe.

    I would venture to say that the questions are very "apostate" oriented. UN scandals, doctrinal changes, paedophiles, etc. And as such, might scare away real JWs. Why not ask things that real JWs might not react to suspiciously? Like, comments on the latest book study book. Do you think we study the Revelation book too much? Would they like the book studies in homes reinstated? Can they think of more effective ways of preaching? Things of that nature mixed in to make them think this might really do some good for active JWs.

    While I do find the survey interesting, I think all you're doing is presenting what ex-JWs and non-loyal-JWs think and have problems with. The GB knows these things. I give them credit for at least that much. You have to know what your critics are saying if you want to thwart the effects. Having a survey with 200 or 500 or 1000 disgruntled responses doesn't tell them anything they don't already know. IMO anyway.

    And the people they have to cater to are active JWs, not ex's.

  • cedars
    cedars

    Thanks jws for your comments. I appreciate you taking an interest in the survey.

    You're not the first to raise this point, and I've devoted a page and a half of my results PDF to answering similar concerns. Here is the pertinent section (excuse the dodgy formatting)...

    It has been pointed out by some that the Survey cannot be truly reflective of the beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses, because it is only accessible online and not via the usual organizational channels employed by the Watch Tower Society. Jehovah’s Witnesses are warned through their literature to avoid the Internet, and in particular, any websites dealing with Jehovah’s Witnesses that are not authorized by the Watch Tower Society. Therefore, the only active Jehovah’s Witnesses voting on such a survey would be those who have already demonstrated a flagrant disregard for the Society’s instructions. In other words, most if not all voters by their very presence on jwsurvey.org would already have well-formed opinions that conflict with the organization’s leadership, rendering a negative response against the Society almost inevitable.

    I agree with this observation, although I don’t believe that it renders the information yielded by the Survey inconsequential, nor do I believe it to be sufficient reason to close the Survey. I offer the following reasons:

    1. By being hosted online, the Survey is made available to all of Jehovah’s Witnesses, irrespective of whether they agree or disagree with the organization’s teachings. The Survey questions are worded in such a way as to allow those who agree with the teachings of the Society to express their loyalty, without being influenced by the opinions of myself, or others.

    Some devout Witnesses have already logged on and participated in the Survey, and these ones are welcome. No loyalists or “apologists” are dissuaded from expressing their opinions, because it is intended that the results should give as fair a reflection as possible of the overall opinions surrounding the religion. My approach has always been “the more the merrier”.

    I genuinely believe that the information yielded by the Survey should be welcomed whatever consensus it reveals, because no harm can arise from knowing the real truth on any matter of this magnitude, irrespective of how uncomfortable that disclosure may be.

    2. In spite of the encouragement to avoid or limit any use of the Internet, all of Jehovah’s Witnesses are personally responsible before God for their beliefs - especially concerning matters of conscience that are not directly legislated for in the scriptures. It has been noticed that increasing numbers of active Jehovah’s Witnesses are coming to the realization that the partial prohibition of the Internet has more to do with shielding the Society against negative publicity than any genuine desire to protect worshippers from ‘Satanic propaganda’. The opinions of such conscientious visitors are just as valid as those who choose to have their conscience dictated to them by the Governing Body when it comes to the use of the Internet.

    3. Just because the Society dissuades people from visiting unauthorized Witness-related websites (and, by extension, jwsurvey.org) this does not necessarily mean that we should automatically abandon any attempted online survey of believers. It would be unfair to deny those who have researched Jehovah’s Witnesses online the opportunity to express their opinions simply because the organization that they no longer agree with has restricted use of the internet among its members in order to shield itself from criticism. To do so would be to succumb to bullying, and this does not sit well with me at all.

    4. It is hoped that, as the Survey grows in popularity, more and more devout Witnesses will become curious and seek to participate and express their views. At present, the Survey is only a recent development, and its existence is not widely known among Witness circles. However, the longer it remains online, with sufficient publicity and ‘word of mouth’ stirring up interest, the greater the likelihood that it will come to the attention of increasing numbers of ordinary Witnesses - including those who limit their use of the internet. It is hoped that such ones will eventually take part through curiosity, even if they choose not to broadcast the fact that they have done so. I envisage broadened participation as being an increasingly inevitable outcome the longer the Survey is online, so hopefully any perceived disparities in the voting pool will gradually even themselves out over time.

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    I was thinking maybe to find out how many get DF'd for forced repentence. Doesn't God want follower to repent from the heart?

    Also, the inactive ones who are no longer attend meetings, declaring they are a JW, and get snitched off by another JW.

    I guess, I wanted to see how many get DF'd for stupid technicalities.

    Thanks for the consideration....

  • cedars
    cedars

    Thanks mind blown - I will definitely be taking your suggestions under consideration for next year's survey. The "informants" question would be relatively easy to ask, but I'm not sure what the results would prove? Anyway, I appreciate you giving the survey your attention.

    Cedars

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    I dunno, I thought it may show "how many lives" those smiley faces have RUINED with unscriptual, unnessesary, disfellowshipments. I have family that have thrown me to the curb because of this.

    AND what about people who don't want to be JW's anymore (find out the lies) and DA themselves? Seriously? Encouranged to be shunned by family for wanting out too?? Damned if you do, and damned if you don't! It's like being in a stone dungeon with no windows. Trapped.

    I'm sorry.......I just get sooooooooooooooo mad I will give it a rest now. Again, thanx for your consideration, Ceders

  • mind blown
    mind blown

    Done.

    Ha! I had 12 or 13 additional non agreements of WTS/GB left in comment box.

    Will be interesting to see the growth of the 2012 survey.

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