Whoa all this talk of genetics and unnatural selection.
Perhaps then this god is no so much about ethnic cleansing---but about Eugentics.
NC
Is Biblical Morality Situational, Based Upon the Arbitrary Whims of Yahweh?
by leavingwt 268 Replies latest jw friends
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leavingwt
"The standard of morality that is showed is determined to be moral simply because God say it is moral."
Divine Command Theory
"Roughly, Divine Command Theory is the view that morality is somehow dependent upon God, and that moral obligation consists in obedience to God’s commands. Divine Command Theory includes the claim that morality is ultimately based on the commands or character of God, and that the morally right action is the one that God commands or requires. The specific content of these divine commands varies according to the particular religion and the particular views of the individual divine command theorist, but all versions of the theory hold in common the claim that morality and moral obligations ultimately depend on God."
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EntirelyPossible
YHWH, the creator of DNA, knew how to select certain traits to create a "breed" so to speak
Oh, Sab. The scripture you quoted doesn't say any of that. Show me a scripture that talks about genetic traits. You said it was there.
I'd say you are a little obsessed with a fictional character, but that's just my opinion.
You would say that. You would also be wrong. It's closer to reality to say that the people that pray to, worship, give fealty to and condemn others on behalf of invisible people might be a little more obsessed. I have to live in a world where others worship and want to impose the values of the imaginary sky daddy on me, it's in my vested interest to know which fiction they are worshipping.
Call it enlightened self interest.
The OT God must be interpreted so there is no cut and dry right and wrong.
Says who? You? Who are you to tell others how to worship and interpret God? Delusions of grandeur, much?
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NewChapter
I'd say you are a little obsessed with a fictional character, but that's just my opinion.
I've seen this said quite a bit. If we don't believe, why do we really care about this fictional character? It doesn't matter if we believe when everyone around us believe and even seek to do things like teach creation in science class, and block my daughter's access to birth control. We have to keep quite up to date on this fictional being, since other's belief in such a myth, affects MY everyday life, freedom and access to education.
So Yes---the subject of a god is very important to nonbelievers---we are forced to deal with this creation of literature every single day.
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sabastious
Oh, Sab. The scripture you quoted doesn't say any of that. Show me a scripture that talks about genetic traits. You said it was there.
Research how dog breeders work and then read the post again. God chose certain traits, that's genetics plain and simple.
Says who? You? Who are you to tell others how to worship and interpret God? Delusions of grandeur, much?
Insulting a fictional character on a regular basis is delusional behaviour. And I do say so and I can back up what I say, unlike you who just use "I know you are but what am I" arguments. Morality in the Bible is grey, I have stated why that is. Grey morality needs deep thought and interpretation for full understanding.
Take the story of Hagar's son. Hagar was a slave girl of Abraham and was used to further his line because his wife was baron. After YHWH miraculously provided Abraham with Isaac Hagar's son became obsolete.
Genesis 21 - 8 The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, “Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac.”
Sarah must have always been jealous of Hagar for giving her husband a seed where she could not. When she got her son she rashly tries to exile Hagar and her now obsolete son. YHWH shows extreme compassion however:
Genesis 21 - 11 The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. 12 But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your slave woman. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. 13 I will make the son of the slave into a nation also, because he is your offspring.”
YHWH knows that the Abram chromosomes are A-OK so he makes sure that "the son of a slave" will be turned into a nation as well. YHWH is depicted as not wanting to jerk anyone around when he doesn't have to. He is a mitigator of pain, but also a causer of it. Very Godly.
-Sab
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NewChapter
Delusional or highly intelligent. Oh the time we spent critiquing Hamlet and his intentions in English class. The essays written. Silly. As I said---in this case---we have to be very concerned with this fictional character since the masses believe in it and are motivated by their understanding of it.
If you believed in unicorns, and felt it was right to war with other nations in order to have more honey and berries to feed those unicorns---you better believe I'm gonna discuss unicorns! The delusion is not mine---but I have to deal with it all the same.
NC
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Vidqun
I believe morality to be based to a large degree on common sense. But that's looking at things from a human perspective. If God did exist, his morality would differ from ours, because he would view things from a different vantage point.
The situation of the Israelite tribes/nomads would have been unique. They had to survive in a hostile environment. Certainly, it would have been a case of survival of the fittest. They believed they had Yahweh fighting for them, and that they had the edge over their rivals. However, it would be unreasonable to compare or measure their morality to 21st century morality. Different time, different situation, different morality.
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sabastious
Divine Command Theory is the view that morality is somehow dependent upon God
Morality is dependent on evolution which is one of God's canvases.
-Sab
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NewChapter
However, it would be unreasonable to compare or measure their morality to 21st century morality. Different time, different situation, different morality
I agree with this statement---except people today worship the god that they attribute with this ancient morality. This morality makes complete sense when dealing with humans and their culture---but one would think that an all knowing god would be above the constraints of time and culture---
And watcing believers work out this contradiction is dizzying. I can work it out in 2 seconds. It has nothing to do with a god of any type, he is merely an invention of the people of the time with the morals of the time. But because a believer must accept this god's morals are infallible, they find themselves defending a morality born out of the bronze age ignorance and trying to fit it into this time and place..
NC
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sabastious
we have to be very concerned with this fictional character since the masses believe in it and are motivated by their understanding of it.
You don't have to be anything, you have free will.
-Sab