Is Biblical Morality Situational, Based Upon the Arbitrary Whims of Yahweh?

by leavingwt 268 Replies latest jw friends

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  sabastious

  That's an extraordinary claim Sab. Please share your extraordinary evidence.

  Aristotle was the first logician of which all disciplines of logic spring forth. The only reason he came to be was because he had time to come to be. What gave him the time? The fact that he was born in a society that had been segregated from everything else and was allowed to flourish. They did this by means of military power and alliance. That was the ONLY way to get him from where we stand. That doesn't mean cosmically it's the only way to get him, but that doesn't matter terribly for us. You have to accept why we are here and that requires death and destruction. YHWH, as an entity of immense perspective and power, will already know this therefore greying the morality of his alleged actions in the Torah.

  All we have is logic Cofty, in regards to the Torah. Evidence has to be defined by logic. Genesis are ideas that were passed on long before Moses wrote them down. Moses was a learned Egyptian who knew secrets about philosophy that we are unaware of.

  Just in the same way YHWH's Hebrews needed time to develop into a great nation of righteousness. However as Greece and Rome showed us the seed of unnatural selection needs a base of righteousness rather than just a random assortment. That's what I believe Noah was: that good base of which everything good will eventually spring forth.

  -Sab
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  NewChapter

  So what is a person to believe, then? The parts that show God to be a vengeful, bloodthirsty SOB, with a warped sense of justice, or the contradictory parts that say he couldn't possibly behave in such a way?

  Yes.
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  poopsiecakes

  Sab, I think you missed your calling. You would be an awesome science fiction writer. Or maybe the new Aesop.
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  EntirelyPossible

  I am talking about righteous traits, which can be identified by intelligence and unnaturally selected to create a breed. You have misunderstood my point.

  Let's see if I misunderstood. What did YOU say... "The Bible says God chose the righteous genetic traits of Abram who was a great warrior who won many battles". Hmmm....sorry, buddy. Sure looks like you are the one that brought up genetics.

  So, you can either cite the scripture where Jehovahs says he chose Abraham based on genetics or sack up, admit you were wrong and we can all move on.

  You are blinded by my absolute language because what I said is my belief that I have thought over and provided evidence for of which you rebuked without a stated cause.

  Oh, there you go again thinking you know something about me, judging others. No, I am not blinded. I am just asking you to back up your very clear words. Or you can admit they have no scriptural foundation, you were wrong and we can all move on. And I don't need a cause to rebuke you. You posted something on a public forum. I responded. If you don't want a response, don't post.

  But he did chose which is my original point of which you just validated: Unnatrual Selection (choosing) by YHWH.

  Your original point was that he used genetic traits to choose. You said the Bible said that, I am just asking for scriptures that say that. Can you show them?

  Maybe there was a better person to start a new race with, who knows?

  God should have known.

  But God chose Noah and that's why we have righteousness today.

  Sweet. Please show, and you MUST demonstrate your work, a direct line from Noah to righteousness today. And the flood is NOT a given. You must show proof of the flood, Noah, the ark, etc.

  I have my evidence and I continue to search out for more.
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  tec

  So what is a person to believe, then? The parts that show God to be a vengeful, bloodthirsty SOB, with a warped sense of justice, or the contradictory parts that say he couldn't possibly behave in such a way?

  Beleive Christ. You know, the image of God. The truth of God. If you see Him, you have seen the Father. It really is not as complicated as people make it out to be.

  Peace,

  Tammy
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  cofty

  Sab that isn't anything like evidence, just a disjointed collection of words.

  Followers of Yahweh did not behave any better than the cultures they lived in and often they behaved worse. There is not a single word in the OT that demonstrates any moral insight.

  Everything you have written is just fantasy and wishful thinking.
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  EntirelyPossible

  You don't call a dog breeder a geneticist, but you do say that he is manipulating genetics and would do well to understand them as best as he can.

  Then it should be easy to find a scripture where God said he was breeding righteousness like dogs or sheep were bred. Can you do that?

  Genesis provides overwhelming evidence in it's narrative that's genetics were known about albeit misunderstood.

  So, they KNEW it but they misunderstood it which means they didn't know it? That's some fine logic there, chap.

  What gave him the time? The fact that he was born in a society that had been segregated from everything else and was allowed to flourish.

  Well that's not true. First of all, he was a student of Plato who was a student of Socrates, who both used logic, so he was by no means the first. Secondly, he was ALSO a student of Alexander the Great who was busily involved in conquering the world, by no means isolated, which is your VERY NEXT STATEMENT!

  That's what I believe Noah was: that good base of which everything good will eventually spring forth.

  Then his existence should be easy to prove. Is there some kind of genetics involved in this?
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  tec

  So what is a person to believe, then? The parts that show God to be a vengeful, bloodthirsty SOB, with a warped sense of justice, or the contradictory parts that say he couldn't possibly behave in such a way? - Keyser

  Beleive Christ. You know, the image of God. The truth of God. If you see Him, you have seen the Father. It really is not as complicated as people make it out to be. Tec

  Just to add/clarify... those contradictory parts tend to be in line with Christ and his teaching/life.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  sabastious

  You would be an awesome science fiction writer.

  Thank you so much! I have a few books I am working on.

  -Sab
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  keyser soze

  It really is not as complicated as people make it out to be.

  I suppose it isn't, if you accept the notion that only the warm and fuzzy parts of the bible are meant to be interpreted literally.