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  • mommy
    mommy

    Hey all
    I was up late last night and did a bit of research and number crunching. I copied and pasted the info, but don't have all the links. The information I was from The Center for Disease control and the GAO(government accounting office) freely available for all to look up on the web...hehe I feel like JT here "Love this web thing"

    Okay where to start? First this report is the number of live births in 1998 -3,941,553 and the number of abortions in 1997- 1,184,758(the CDC does not have the figures for 1998 on the web yet. Some facts about the woman getting abortions. 88% already have 2 or more live births. These are not woman who don't know what a pregnancy and subsequent child is about. Women who obtained legal abortions in 1997 were predominately white and unmarried. As in 1996, approximately 20% of women who obtained a legal abortion in 1997 were aged less than or equal to 19 years; 32% were aged 20-24 years.

    Simon Sorry no listings were given for economic history for the woman. Am I assuming that there is an income level for those you consider "trash"? Or is "trash" a degrading way of saying that those individuals who decide to have abortions views are not "up to par" with your own?

    As for the fundage I have a very long article from the GAO but will only snip a bit for you. This article is an accounting of goverment funds given to certain agencies that deal with woman health issues.

    November 13, 2001 The Honorable Joseph R. Pitts The Honorable Christopher H.
    Smith House of Representatives

    Subject: Reproductive Health: Federal Funds That Supported Four Nonprofit
    Organizations

    This letter responds to your request that we identify the amount of federal
    funding for fiscal years 1999 and 2000 that supported the domestic and
    international reproductive health activities of four nonprofit organizations
    and their affiliates- the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the
    Population Council, the International Planned Parenthood Federation, and The
    Alan Guttmacher Institute- in addition to identifying the federal agencies
    that provided the funds and the congressional committees with jurisdiction
    to authorize or appropriate them. This information updates our letter of
    July 18, 2000, that provided funding information for fiscal years 1997
    through 1998. 1

    In brief, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America and its affiliates,
    the Population Council, the International Planned Parenthood Federation and
    its affiliated associations, and The Alan Guttmacher Institute used
    approximately $184 million in federal funds for fiscal year 1999 and about
    $196 million in federal funds for fiscal year 2000 to support domestic and
    international activities related to reproductive health for individuals.

    (See table 1.) The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the U.
    S. Agency for International Development (USAID) were the major sources of
    these funds. Four committees in the Senate- Commerce, Science, and
    Transportation; Finance; Foreign Relations; and Health, Education, Labor,
    and Pensions-- and four committees in the House of Representatives- Energy
    and Commerce, International Relations, Science, and Ways and Means- have
    jurisdiction over the authorization of the programs under which the funding
    was provided. In addition, the Senate and House Committees on Appropriations
    each have subcommittees that have jurisdiction over the appropriations for
    the programs

    These agencies provide the following services: [quote]BACKGROUND The Planned Parenthood Federation of America- a nonprofit
    organization headquartered in New York City- and its 128 affiliates, with
    850 local health centers, provide reproductive medical care and birth
    control education. The affiliates are independent, separately incorporated
    organizations with their own boards of directors and financial autonomy. In
    1998, the affiliates provided reproductive health care to 2.6 million women
    and men and educational services to 1.5 million individuals. The affiliates
    and their clinics provide family planning counseling and
    birth control services, pregnancy testing, abortions, cancer screening,
    human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) testing, screening and treatment for
    sexually transmitted diseases, prenatal and well- baby care, and other
    reproductive health care services.
    Abortion is but one of the many services provided. And the cost of an abortion is minimal in contrast to a prenatal visits, delivery, and then subsequent well baby checkups. As for further digging into state grants etc, I did not do this, so the numbers may be smaller.

    As for the welfare program<grin> There has been 4.5 billion dollars spent last year alone for child care subsidaries, that is a work/school program that allows needy familes with children to get back in the workforce or attend school. This program subsidizes child care costs for the families.

    Bush had a brainstorm and decided to allocate 100 million dollars[/b] aside for education for unwed mothers. Yes, he is promoting, with your money marriage counselling! I think it is a wonderful idea, don't get me wrong, but using this money in this way takes away from the work first programs. I am sure you all realize you can't eat a marriage certificate, but I bet that there are many people who "sleep better at night" knowing our country is a more moral place.

    IMO the people who cry that they don't want their tax money going to abortions need to look at how much is spent on actual abortions. A drop in the bucket compared to the actual cost of raising a child. I am not in anyway saying we should promote abortions because it is cheaper, just giving a birds eye view of the numbers. As far as how many abortions are paid for by the goverment that is hard to tell. I would love to find out if we can get those numbers.

    Stepping out now
    wendy

    Edited and still can't get it right so I am leaving it as is lol!

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit
    "NITS BECOME LICE!!!" I LOVE ABORTIONS!!!!!!

    This is curiously close to the justification that JW's give for Jehovah snuffing out the lives of the unborn and young children.

    "Little rats become big rats", as an elder once told me knowingly.

    Expatbrit

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    Abaddon:

    the debate is not over, but may as well be.
    The debate is completely pointless, and always has been.

    The ecosystem of which humanity is a part can only support so many humans. The population will therefore expand until that limit is met. This will happen whether or not abortions take place. Abortions will make a difference only to the rate that the expansion takes place.

    Once the limit is exceeded, the natural system will curtail the number of humans automatically. Nature will perform it's own abortions, whether these are of unborn fetii, 5 year old children or fully grown adults (the difference between which is merely a few billion cells).

    Thus, whether individual abortions are performed now or not makes no difference to the overall big picture.

    Expatbrit

  • JanH
    JanH

    expatbrit,

    The ecosystem of which humanity is a part can only support so many humans. The population will therefore expand until that limit is met. This will happen whether or not abortions take place. Abortions will make a difference only to the rate that the expansion takes place.

    A common misconception.

    Overpopulation is not and will never become a problem on this planet. Mismagement of some resources obviously is.

    Human population will never again double, at least not in the foreseeable future (it could, without being a resource problem in itself). Around 2050 we will reach around 10 billion people, and then the world population will start to decline. This is a well know fact among demographers and other scientists, alas rarely propagated in the alarmist press.

    Population stagnation will be a much more serious problem than the population growth ever was.

    We have many problems, and mismanagement of resources is certainly one of them, but population growth isn't.

    PS: I'll be much less online over the next few months. FYI.

    - Jan
    --
    - "How do you write women so well?" - "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability." (Jack Nicholson in "As Good as it Gets")

  • expatbrit
    expatbrit

    Jan:

    Mismanagement of resources will reduce the limit. If resources are mismanaged badly enough, the limit will become very low indeed.

    Conversely, if resources are managed well, the limit will rise, and can rise dramatically. However, it is human nature that resources will only be managed well (controlled consumption etc) if it is made absolutely necessary by the limits being exceeded.

    So my previous post was incomplete. I should have said that either the population will expand until the limit is met, or the limit will be reduced by human activity until it reaches (or goes below) the current population levels.

    Either way, the natural system will regulate the number of humans, making the debate about individual abortions pointless.

    Expatbrit

  • 144thousand_and_one
    144thousand_and_one
    Overpopulation is not and will never become a problem on this planet.

    Jan,

    You are kidding, right?

  • Shimmer
    Shimmer

    I do think that women should have the right to choose abortion. However, I think that with every "choice" of abortion, there should be given a tubal ligation. That way she won't find herself in that situation again and she will have to think long and hard as to whether she wants to give up her right to have a baby. I think that if you misuse your ability to procreate then that privelege should be taken away.

    That way, if down the road, she finds herself in the position of caring for a child she could have the procedure reversed. Just a thought.

    Shimmer

    Maybe being oneself is alway an acquired taste.-----PATRICIA HAMPL

  • Simon
    Simon

    Can I just clarify something ...

    I don't think people who have abortions are trash, just people who live carelessly and then expect everyone else to sort out their lives for them. Nothing to do with income or anything like that or even morals - just 'selfish-dumbness' (if that's a word)

  • mommy
    mommy

    Simon,
    I am glad you clarified your opinion. IMO I do not like to classify a person with a derogatory term unless I have a bit more info on them. And having an abortion or being on welfare is not the only thing that would sway me in that direction.

    I am of the mind that if I were to teach my children that all irresponsible people were trash, without explaining to them that the person may not know any better because nobody taught them, then what a narrow minded world we would live in. Now Rhett already recieved the award this week so all the rest of you will have to wait until next week There are many facets to another human, and to classify them without knowing all of their attributes, and weaknesses only fosters stereotypes and cuts down on love and acceptance, thus we may be missing out on many things, and people.

    BTW the way this thread is going maybe we can change the name to "All controversial thoughts discussed here"

    Waiting,
    I agree with you on euthinasia in the elderly, and sick. Our constitution guarantees us Life, Liberty and the Pursiut of Happiness. If deciding to die instead of living in extreme pain and agony is our pursiut of happiness then so be it. I have many, many other pet peeves with this system yet I will save that for a rainy day when I ahve more time. Of course it is snowing now, so that should count, yet I have not the time
    wendy

    Shimmer,
    I never thought of your idea, it is something to think about. I know a few friends who had abortions and they did not even think about all aspects(by their admission) This frustrates me to no end. If you are making a decision that will affect another life and you for the rest of your life then a little bit of effort should be put into it. Then again that is just my opinion
    wendy

  • KJV
    KJV

    expatbrit....I said "NITS BECOME LICE!...I LOVE ABORTIONS"!

    ...and then you said "This is curiously close to the justifacation that J.W.'s give for Jehovah snuffing out the unborn and young children"....

    I beg to differ with you on your point. The Watchtower has never said "Nits become lice", so your elder friend should have been removed. It was Colonel Chivington during the Sand Creek Massacre of 1864 in Colorado that said this about Native American children.

    If a woman can come on this board and post information about penises, more information than most men know, and then scream that she has a right to kill her unborn baby...I personally don't want the little bastard in the world either. Who's gonna teach him or her decency? Their mother? HAHAHAHA!!

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