by Perry 59 Replies latest watchtower bible
We'll agree to disagree, then.
One small point. There is such a verb in English. It is 'to covenant' as illustrated above. And from an online dictionary ...
2. covenant - enter into a covenant or formal agreement; "They covenanted with Judas for 30 pieces of silver"; "The nations covenanted to fight terrorism around the world"
A little archaic-sounding, but that's the word.
how can anyone say jesus was peaceful, when he allowed peter etc to carry swords? lets not forgert his other wholesome words about how he came to divide, breakup families, and other nice things. the only truth about xianity is its been red with blood from the beginning. just look at the gospels, the only vbiolence we hear of is by xians, peter, judas etc.
how can anyone say jesus was peaceful, when he allowed peter etc to carry swords?
He did not allow him to cause harm with his sword though did he?
He said no more of this, and he healed the man Peter injured.
lets not forgert his other wholesome words about how he came to divide, breakup families, and other nice things
This is a natural consequence if some choose to follow truth, and some choose to follow a lie.
the only truth about xianity is its been red with blood from the beginning. just look at the gospels, the only vbiolence we hear of is by xians, peter, judas etc.
Judas betrayed Chrsit.
Peter was told not to do violence, and Christ healed his act of violence...as He healed so many other people.
Christ refused to stone or condemn a woman, that others wanted to.
Christ did not raise a hand against those who tortured Him, and crucified Him. He practiced what he preached; turning the other cheek. There was a lot of violence done by others in the NT, though. Stephen was stoned as well. Paul flogged and imprisoned, and many others as well.
Peace,
tammy
Thing is with the NT accounts we are never certain they are factual such as the stoning of Stephen whereas it can be viewed as the ongoing Anti-Semitism within the NT. Jesus did whip people in the face on that one trip to the Temple, but again is the account factual or made up.
Jesus did whip people in the face
Really, Designs? No account says any such thing, and I know you know this.
As for anti-semitism in the NT... there is none. Not committed by Jesus or the apostles, who are Jewish. That people went ahead and used things as an excuse for anti-semitism is on them. No different than the KKK thinking they have biblical standing for their prejudices, and self-proclaimed superiority over all non-white people.Peace,
tammy
He was whipping people in the Temple you mean he just aimed for their chest and backs, and that's ok?. A little logic here please.
When the self proclaimed leader says to Jewish people their House is abandoned and God has cast them off and submit to a foreign conqueror that is anti-semitism. ( and totally unMessianic by Jewish standards).
Designs:
Matt 21: 12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changes and benches of those selling doves.
(so terrifying that the blind and the lame came to him afterward, and even the children in the temple area were shouting 'Hosanna to the Son of David.')
Same passage in Mark and Luke
John 2:14-16 is the most detailed.
In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves, he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market."
Nothing in there says that he whipped anyone anywhere. Perhaps the sheep and the cattle as John states... but even then, you don't have to strike an animal to drive it forward with a whip. Just the sound will do it It is a quite a stretch to say that he was whipping people in the face, from a man who never lifted a hand against anyone even when he was being tortured. Especially when no one (lame, blind, children) was afraid of aproaching him afterward.
When the self proclaimed leader says to Jewish people their House is abandoned and God has cast them off and submit to a foreign conqueror that is anti-semitism.
Well, he obviously didn't say that to all Jewish people... since his apostles and disciples were Jewish - referring to their House being abandoned. As for the last two - God has cast them off, and told them to submit to a foriegn conqueror... can you tell me what you are referring to here?
No one in the gospels were anti-semitist... unless they were also anti-self.
Peace,
tammy
Remember the Motto- 'We never lost it'!
I meant where is it written that God cast the Jewish people off... or told them to submit to a foreign conqueror?
Jesus said it 'pay Ceasar's things to Ceasar'. Very very bad. Think of a Minister telling a parishner to go back to being a prostitute in order to tithe at church and you get an idea of how loathesome the thing is that Jesus was saying to a Jew.
