God Changing Chosen Peoples

by eyes_opened 83 Replies latest jw friends

  • happytobefree
    happytobefree

    MDS,

    I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so can you please tell me who is God infuriated with or who are you referring to.

    And this is just my opinion, I still don't think the we should refer to our Father with his first name.

    And if the JW are NOT saying his name (God) correctly -- Then are they God's chosen people? If if they are not, then who is? And one more. If God has not written a prophecy to determine what would be done with the JW org. for becoming wicked. What do we do from here (there). If we believe that they are the now wicked as you say or that they were God's chosen people, in the first place.

    I hope you can understand these questions, if not, I will try to clarify them.

    Happy to be Free (Me)

  • amicus
    amicus

    Hi Logical,
    This is kinda confusing with two conversations going, so let me repost your comments and then my response.

    Amicus:

    What I find amusing is the emphasis placed on the name "Jehovah". That name was invented in the 5th or 6th century. It wasn't used by the Israelites or the early Christians.

    What is so amusing about the name we have come to know the True God by? YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, they all point to the ONE TRUE GOD. I can quote so many scriptures at you, saying He does have a name and wants it to be exhalted.
    The fact is, He IS regognised by Jehovah. That is the name we have come to know him by, Jehovah identifies the TRUE GOD OF ISRAEL!

    Nobody knows how YHWH was pronounced. Maybe this was intentional on YHWH's part?

    See above

    Christians are supposed to focus on Christ. That's the new chain-of-command.

    That is simply called "Creature Worship", "Idolatry", worshipping the creation and not the creator - something CONDEMNED in the Bible. Even Christ himself pointed out that Jehovah, his Father is greater than he is.


    I'll try to clarify my statements. The comment about Jehovah was intended to be reactionary. I won’t debate that the God of the bible used different titles or names to describe or refer to himself. My point is that no one knows how YHWH is to be translated. The most accurate translation I have seen is Yaweh. So why substitute a name that was probably invented by a monk that lived 1500 years ago? If we use Jehovah to render YHWH, why not use church in place of congregation, cross instead of stake, or pastor rather than elder. Jesus, 1st century Christians, or the Jews probably never uttered the name “Jehovah”. What gives us the right to say that Jehovah is the Creator’s name when it obviously isn’t.
    Your argument that “Jehovah is acceptable because it’s accepted” doesn’t apply here. God, Our Father, YHWH, Yaweh, Abba, are all more appropriate and also describe the God of the Bible. Why does a group of people claiming to be free of the influence of Christendom use a name for the Creator that was created by one of Christendom’s clergy? It strikes me as hypocritical and thus the observation in my initial post.

    If Yaweh thought it important for us to use YHWH today, why didn’t he ensure we knew how to pronounce it? One of the thoughts I have been considering is that we don’t know how it is to be pronounced today because YHWH doesn’t want us to. He wants us to focus on Christ. We approach our Heavenly Father now through Christ, not directly.
    When we start to understand Christ’s personality, we by default, come to know Our Heavenly Father. “No one comes to the Father except through me.” “I have made you known to them and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and I myself may be in them.”
    How many of us read accounts in the OT and are confused about Yahweh’s personality? It was probably clearer to the Jews because of their familiarity with the Law. We are no longer under the Mosaic Law Covenant. Most of us read about Jesus and can focus on: Love for our fellowman and love for God. Perhaps this is by design. The OT was about Yahweh’s relationship with the Jews; the NT is about Jesus and Christianity. Jesus was very clear about the relationship between the three of us: man, Christ, and Our Father. We do not exhalt Our Fathers Name by saying it, but by living a lifestyle that brings glory to Him.

  • larc
    larc

    MDS,

    Are you changing doctrine on us? Earlier you wrote that the modern day Israelites, the JWs, had become corrupt and that, you and possibly others would point out their evil ways as did Isaiah to the real Israelites, and some would come to repentance and then this modern day Israel would rule over billions of Gentiles. Now you are saying that Jehovah will switch organizations. Please don't give me 45 scriptures; just tell me which of the two things that you stated that you believe.

  • Xandit
    Xandit

    Oh man, the Two Witnesses Must Come boys are here. They sure are persistant, I guess it's the Witness background.

    By the way, on the name issue. I've seen a pretty good case made several time, most notably in the Biblical Archaeology Review, that it was probably Ye-ho-wah, three syllables. I think the Witness guy that did the computerized linguistic ananlysis came up with something similar, three syllables anyway.

  • MDS
    MDS

    JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES -- DESTINED TO FALL BY WAY OF DISCIPLINE FROM GOD'S OWN HAND, AND LATER TO BE RESTORED TO GOD'S FAVOR, AGAIN BY GOD'S OWN HAND

    The following prophecy will be fulfilled upon JWs as a nation. It is Micah 4:6,7.

    They are to be considered "modern-day Israel" of Bible prophecy...Jehovah's Witnesses as a nation.

    The Bible, prophecy reveals that they are to be "Disciplined" for past "sins," as fully enumerated upon this board, over and over again... God has decreed for them to be disciplined, severely. [Discipline is most severe during a "42 month" period intense persecution, followed by a period of "recuperation."]

    Afterwhich, the "remnant" of JWs will be "saved" from their predicament as only God can "save"...and then "Restored" to God's favor.

    During this period of "persecution," where the "woman," is chased to the "wilderness," she will be without formal worship. She will become a cast off, or enter a spiritual condition indicated by the expression: "Lo-ammi" as spoken of thru the prophet "Hosea" -- a "disowned" state from God, much like a "disfellowshiping" of them for a specific period of time. She has "disfellowshiped" many from her organization -- now, Jehovah returns the favor. He "disfellowships" her the organization, into a the "fallen status of ill-repute...likened to the ones among her number she reprimanded, chastised...disciplined. Those formerly of her number whom said was not worthy to carry this Great and Lofty Name of God upon themselves as a nation. She cast them off. God does this to her, for her many Sins. It will be a world-wide condition, a worldwide situation.

    The Discipline will be great, intense.

    Not all JWs will survive this intense ordeal and discipline of God. During this time, the WTS will under intense pressure, cowardly give in to the threats of the political nations, and compromise their faith officially, by willingly receiving the "mark of the beast." Most JWs will follow suit...approximately "two-thirds" will lose God's favor permanently by receiving the "mark of the beast."

    With, approximately, 1/3 left, who will bravely attempt to "tough it out," and endure the pressures from the political nations, in the wilderness. They will refuse to receive the "mark of the beast." They will have to bear the brunt of the situation. But they will come out of the "test" situation, worldwide persecution, as refined "silver" and "gold" in God's eyes. -- See Zech. 13: 8,9; Micah 7:7-9

    Afterwhich, she is "restored" to God's favor and now allowed for the first time, to fully administrate the "Abrahamic Covenant," as a "Priestly" nation (Exodus 19:6; Isa. 61:6), to all OTHER NATIONS of the globe...billions will be saved under this arrangement. -- See Micah 4:1-4; Isa. 2:2-4; Rev. 22:17

    THE NEEDED DISCIPLINE COMES FROM GOD, by allowing the nations of the earth to overrun Jehovah's Witnesses, worldwide, for a specific period of time.

    Micah 4:6,7 says of this particular situation:

    "In that day, is the utterance of Jehovah, I will gather her that was LIMPING; and her that was DISPERSED I will collect together, even her WHOM I HAVE TREATED BADLY. And I shall certainly make her that was limping a REMNANT, and her that was removed far off [cast off; removed from God's sight] a MIGHTY NATION, and Jehovah will actually rule as king over them in Mount Zion, FROM NOW ON AND INTO TIME INDEFINITE."

    This will be an EVERLASTING arrangement, with all of their "sins," now being "atoned for," and an "EVERLASTING COVENANT" now being given to them...for ever more. -- Ezekiel 16:59-63

    Remember, the nation of "Israel," JWS, are FIRST DISCIPLINED by God, [it is He that is letting the nations pounce on the organization, he allows the persecution..the "42 months of trampling" ... He allows it. -- Rev. 13:5-7

    and then AFTER THE DISCIPLINE allowed by God...that's allowed by God...

    ...then He [God] makes the same nation, the one that was "limping" from His Great Discipline, He [God] now makes them into A MIGHTY NATION...Jehovah RESTORES them to His favor...that's the scenio... -- See also Isa. 30:26

    This particularly scripture, the prophecy of Micah 4:6,7, as mentioned above HAS NOT been fulfilled as of yet. It will be fulfilled upon "Israel," modern-day Israel of our day, Jehovah's Witnesses.

    MDS

    Edited by - MDS on 24 January 2001 1:37:39

  • ianao
    ianao

    Hey MDS.

    Matthew Henry has another view on Micah 4:6,7:

    (Actually verses 1-7, 1-5 included for context)

    It is a very comfortable but with which this chapter begins, and very reviving to those who lay the interests of God’s church near their heart and are concerned for the welfare of it. When we sometimes see the corruptions of the church, especially of church-rulers, princes, priests, and prophets, seeking their own things and not the things of God, and when we soon after see the desolations of the church, Zion for their sakes ploughed as a field, we are ready to fear that it will one day perish between both, that the name of Israel shall be no more in remembrance; we are ready to give up all for gone, and to conclude the church will have neither root not branch upon earth. But let not our faith fail in this matter; out of the ashes of the church another phoenix shall arise. In the last words of the foregoing chapter we left the mountain of the house as desolate and waste as the high places of the forest; and is it possible that such a wilderness should ever become a fruitful field again? Yes, the first words of this chapter bring in the mountain of the Lord’s house as much dignified by being frequented as ever it had been disgraced by being deserted. Though Zion be ploughed as a field, yet God has not cast off his people, but by the fall of the Jews salvation has come to the Gentiles, so that it proves to be the riches of the world, Rom. 11:11, 12. This is the mystery which God by the prophet here shows us, and he says the very same in the first three verses of this chapter which another prophet said by the word of the Lord at the same time (Isa. 2:2-4), that out of the mouth of these two witnesses these promises might be established; and very precious promises they are, relating to the gospel-church, which have been in part accomplished, and will be yet more and more, for he is faithful that has promised. I. That there shall be a church for God set up in the world, after the defection and destruction of the Jewish church, and this in the last days; that is, as some of the rabbin themselves acknowledge, in the days of the Messiah. The people of God shall be incorporated by a new charter, a new spiritual way of worship shall be enacted, and a new institution of offices to attend it; better privileges shall be granted by this new charter, and better provision made for enlarging and establishing the kingdom of God among men than had been made by the Old-Testament constitution: The mountain of the house of the Lord shall again appear firm ground for God’s faithful worshippers to stand, and go, and build upon, in their attendance on him, v. 1. And it shall be a centre of unity to them; a church shall be set up in the world, to which the Lord will be daily adding such as shall be saved. II. That this church shall be firmly founded and well-built: It shall be established in the top of the mountains; Christ himself will build it upon a rock; it shall be an impregnable fort upon an immovable foundation, so that the gates of hell shall neither overthrow the one nor undermine the other (Mt. 16:18); its foundations are still in the holy mountains (Ps. 87:1), the everlasting mountains, which cannot, which shall not, be removed. It shall be established, not as the temple, upon one mountain, but upon many; for the foundations of the church, as they are sure, so they are large. III. That it shall be highly advanced, and become eminent and conspicuous: It shall be exalted above the hills, observed with wonder for its growing greatness from small beginnings. The kingdom of Christ shall shine with greater lustre than ever any of the kingdoms of the earth did. It shall be as a city on a hill, which cannot be hid, Mt. 5:14. The glory of this latter house is greater than that of the former, Hag. 2:9. See 2 Co. 3:7, 8, etc. IV. That there shall be a great accession of converts to it and succession of converts in it. People shall flow unto it as the waters of a river are continually flowing; there shall be a constant stream of believers flowing in from all parts into the church, as the people of the Jews flowed into the temple, while it was standing, to worship there. Then many tribes came to the mountain of the house, to enquire of God’s temple; but in gospel-times many nations shall flow into the church, shall fly like a cloud and as the doves to their windows. Ministers shall be sent forth to disciple all nations, and they shall not labour in vain; for, multitudes being wrought upon to believe the gospel and embrace the Christian religion, they shall excite and encourage one another, and shall say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord now raised among us, even to the house of the God of Jacob, the spiritual temple which we need not travel far to, for it is brought to our doors and set up in the midst of us.’’ Thus shall people be made willing in the day of his power (Ps. 110:3), and shall do what they can to make others willing, as Andrew invited Peter, and Philip Nathanael, to be acquainted with Christ. They shall call the people to the mountain (Deu. 33:19), for there is in Christ enough for all, enough for each. Now observe what it is, 1. Which these converts expect to find in the house of the God of Jacob. They come thither for instruction: "He will teach us of his ways, what is the way in which he would have us to walk with him and in which we may depend upon him to meet us graciously.’’ Note, Where we come to worship God we come to be taught of him. 2. Which they engage to do when they are thus taught of God: We will walk in his paths. Note, Those may comfortably expect that God will teach them who are firmly resolved by his grace to do as they are taught. V. That, in order to this, a new revelation shall be published to the world, on which the church shall be founded, and by which multitudes shall be brought into it: For the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. The gospel is here called the word of the Lord, for the Lord gave the word, and great was the company of those that published it, Ps. 68:11. It was of a divine original, a divine authority; it began to be spoken by the Lord Christ himself, Heb. 2:3. And it is a law, a law of faith; we are under the law to Christ. This was to go forth from Jerusalem, from Zion, the metropolis of the Old-Testament dispensation, where the temple, and altars, and oracles were, and whither the Jews went to worship from all parts; thence the gospel must take rise, to show the connexion between the Old Testament and the New, that the gospel is not set up in opposition to the law, but is an explication and illustration of it, and a branch growing out of its roots. It was in Jerusalem that Christ preached and wrought miracles; there he died, rose again, and ascended; there the Spirit was poured out; and those that were to preach repentance and remission of sins to all nations were ordered to begin at Jerusalem, so that thence flowed the streams that were to water the desert world. VI. That a convincing power should go along with the gospel of Christ, in all places where it should be preached (v. 3): He shall judge among many people. Messiah, the lawgiver (v. 2.), is here the judge, for to him the Father committed all judgment, and for judgment he came into this world; his word, the word of his gospel, that was to go forth from Jerusalem, was the golden sceptre by which he shall rule and judge when he sits as king on the holy hill of Zion, Ps. 2:6. By it he shall rebuke strong nations afar off; for the Spirit working with the word shall reprove the world, Jn. 16:8. It is promised to the Son of David that he shall judge among the heathen (Ps. 110:6), which he does when in the chariot of his everlasting gospel he goes forth, and goes on, conquering and to conquer. VII. That a disposition to mutual peace and love shall be the happy effect of the setting up of the kingdom of the Messiah: They shall beat their swords into plough-shares; that is, angry passionate men, that have been fierce and furious, shall be wonderfully sweetened, and made mild and meek, Tit. 3:2, 3. Those who, before their conversion, did injuries, and would bear none, after their conversion can bear injuries, but will do none. As far as the gospel prevails it makes men peaceable, for such is the wisdom from above; it is gentle and easy to be entreated; and if nations were but leavened by it, there would be universal peace. When Christ was born there was universal peace in the Roman empire; those that were first brought into the gospel church were all of one heart and of one soul (Acts 4:32); and it was observed of the primitive Christians how well they loved one another. In heaven this will have its full accomplishment. It is promised, 1. That none shall be quarrelsome. The art of war, instead of being improved (which some reckon the glory of a kingdom), shall be forgotten and laid aside as useless. They shall not learn war any more as they have done, for they shall have no need to defend themselves nor any inclination to offend their neighbours. Nation shall no longer lift up sword against nation; not that the gospel will make men cowards, but it will make men peaceable. 2. That all shall be quiet, both from evil and from the fear of evil (v. 4): They shall sit safely, and none shall disturb them; they shall sit securely, and shall not disturb themselves, every man under his vine and under his fig-tree, enjoying the fruit of them, and needing no other shelter than the leaves of them. None shall make them afraid; not only there shall be nothing that is likely to frighten them, but they shall not be disposed to fear. under the dominion of Christ, as that of Solomon, there shall be abundance of peace. Though his followers have trouble in the world, in him they enjoy great tranquillity. If this seems unlikely, yet we may depend upon it, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken it, and no word of his shall fall to the ground; what he has spoken by his word he will do by his providence and grace. He that is the Lord of hosts will be the God of peace; and those may well be easy whom the Lord of hosts, of all hosts, undertakes the protection of. VIII. That the churches shall be constant in their duty, and so shall make a good use of their tranquillity and shall not provoke the Lord to deprive them of it, v. 5. When the churches have rest they shall be edified, and confirmed, and comforted, and shall resolve to be as firm to their God as other nations are to theirs, though they be no gods. Where we find the foregoing promises, Isa. 2:2, etc. it follows (v. 5), O house of Jacob! come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord; and here, We will walk in the name of the Lord our God. Note, Peace is a blessing indeed when it strengthens our resolutions to cleave to the Lord. Observe, 1. How constant other nations were to their gods: All people will walk every one in the name of his god, will own their god and cleave to him, will worship their god and serve him, will depend upon him and put confidence in him. Whatever men make a god of they will make use of, and take his name along with them in all their actions and affairs. The mariners, in a storm, cried every man to his god, Jonah 1:5. And no instance could be found of a nation’s changing its gods, Jer. 2:11: If the hosts of heaven were their gods, they loved them, and served them, and walked after them, Jer. 8:2. 2. How constant God’s people now resolve to be to him: "We will walk in the name of the Lord our God, will acknowledge him in all our ways, and govern ourselves by a continual regard to him, doing nothing but what we have warrant from him for, and openly professing our relation to him.’’ Observe, Their resolution is peremptory; it is not a thing that needs be disputed: "We will walk in the name of the Lord our God.’’ It is just and reasonable: He is our God. And it is a resolution for a perpetuity: "We will do it for ever and ever, and will never leave him. He will be ours for ever, and therefore so we will be his, and never repent our choice.’’ IX. That notwithstanding the dispersions, distress, and infirmities of the church, it shall be formed and established, and made very considerable, v. 6, 7. 1. The state of the church had been low, and weak, and very helpless, in the latter times of the Old Testament, partly through the corruptions of the Jewish nation, and partly through the oppressions under which they groaned. They were like a flock of sheep that were maimed, worried, and scattered, Eze. 34:16; Jer. 50:6. 17. The good people among them, and in other places, that were well inclined, were dispersed, were very infirm, and in a manner lost and cast far off. 2. It is promised that all these grievances shall be redressed and the distemper healed. Christ will come himself (Mt. 15:24), and send his apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, Mt. 10:6. From among the Jews that halted, or that for want of strength, could not go upright, God gathered a remnant (v. 7), that remnant according to the election of grace which is spoken of in Rom. 11:7, which embraced the gospel of Christ. And from among the Gentiles that were cast far off (so the Gentiles are described to be, Eph. 2:13, Acts 2:39) he raised a strong nation; greater numbers of them were brought into the church than of the Jews, Gal. 4:27. And such a strong nation the gospel-church is that the gates of hell shall never be able to prevail against it. The church of Christ is more numerous than any other nation, and strong in the Lord and in the power of his might. X. That the Messiah shall be the king of this kingdom, shall protect and govern it, and order all the affairs of it for the best, and this to the end of time. The Lord Jesus shall reign over them in Mount Zion by his word and Spirit in his ordinances, and this henceforth and for ever, for of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end.

  • ianao
    ianao

    Hello again MDS. Here is ANOTHER take on Micah (the book)

    Baker's Evangelical Dictionary
    of Biblical Theology

    Micah, Theology of

    Although unlike Isaiah (6:1-9), Jeremiah (1:4-10), and Ezekiel (2:1-3:27) Micah gives his audience no autobiographical account of his call to prophetic ministry, the superscription to his book (1:1), "the word of the Lord that came to Micah, " affirms that the invisible God becomes audible in it. In 6:1b-8 Micah is pictured as the Lord's plenipotentiary from the heavenly court, who has come to Jerusalem to accuse Israel of having broken the Mosaic covenant. Unlike the false prophets, for whom money speaks louder than God (3:5, 11), Micah, filled with the power of the Lord's Spirit, preaches justice (3:8).

    Micah's theology represents both aspects of the Lord's covenant with Israel: the Lord will sentence his covenant people to exile out of the land of blessing if they fail to keep his righteous law, but he will always preserve from them a righteous remnant to whom he will give his sworn land after the exile (2:5) and through whom he will bless the nations (4:1-5).

    Micah organizes the approximately twenty prophecies that comprise his book into three cycles—chapters 1-2, 3-5, and 6-7—each beginning with the command to either "Hear" (1:2) or "Listen" (3:1; 6:1). Each cycle begins with judgment-oracles against the nation for having failed to keep the Mosaic covenant, followed by salvation-oracles based on God's promises to Abraham and the patriarchs to be their god forever—so reflecting both aspects of the Lord's covenant with Israel. In the first two prophecies of the first cycle, Samaria (1:3-7) and Judah (1:8-16) are sentenced to destruction and exile because of their idolatry (vv. 5, 7). In the third prophecy (2:1-5), Micah accuses rich land barons of exploiting Israel's middle class by taking their lands away from them in corrupt courts (vv. 1-3). It is often said that Micah is the champion of the poor; in truth, he champions the cause of Israel's middle class—stalwart farmers whose wives live in luxurious homes and whose children enjoy the Lord's blessing (2:9). The Lord will take the lands away from the venal land barons and send them into exile (2:4-5). Israel possessed the promised land as a usufruct from the Lord. While he gave it to them to enjoy to its full measure, he reserved the right to take it away from them if they abused it (Lev 25:33).

    Micah's fourth prophecy is against the false prophets who abet the rapacious racketeers with their half-baked theology. Their identifying badge is that they preach only God's love, never his wrath and judgment. Their half-truth distorted the covenant by emphasizing only Exodus 34:6 ("The Lord … the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness") and omitting Exodus 34:7 ("yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished"). Their false doctrine of eternal security helped lead the nation to its death (2:6-11). In these four oracles Micah predicts Israel's exile, but looking beyond the judgment, he concludes the first cycle with a prophecy that the Lord will preserve a remnant with him as their triumphant King (2:12-13).

    In the second cycle (3:1-5:16), Micah delivers three oracles of judgment against Jerusalem's corrupt leaders: the avaricious magistrates, who cannibalize their subjects (3:1-4); the greedy prophets, who should be the nation's watchdogs but only wag their tails if fed a bone (3:5-7); and all the leaders, rulers, prophets, and priests (3:8-11), who are in cahoots to plunder their subjects. Micah concludes these oracles with the climactic prediction that Jerusalem will fall (3:12; cf. Jer 26:18).

    In a breathtaking turn, he shifts from these judicial sentences reducing Jerusalem to a heap of rubble and its temple to a forested height to seven visions pertaining to Israel's "last days" (4:1, 6; 5:10), a future that paradoxically reverses the present situation—the "now" of distress (4:9, 11; 5:1, not translated in NIV)—and at the same time brings to a fitting outcome that toward which it is striving. In his first sermon Peter goes out of his way to identify the coming of the Spirit at Pentecost with the epoch labeled by Micah and his contemporary, Isaiah, as "in the last days" (Acts 2:17). Peter's primary text is Joel 2:28-32. The inspired apostle, however, curiously and interpretively transforms Joel's text. Joel's prophecy begins, "and afterward … "' (Joel 2:28), but instead of this introduction Peter substitutes the words of Micah 4:1 and the parallel passage in Isaiah 2:2. Since that wording is found in no text or version of Joel, Peter seems deliberately to link Pentecost and the ensuing age until the return of Jesus Christ with Isaiah's and Michah's prophecies about Israel's golden age "in the last days." The author of the Letter to the Hebrews likewise speaks of the church as now living "in these last days" (1:2). However, the phrase has a temporal thickness embracing many events over an extended period of time. In Micah it embraces the remnant's restoration from Babylon (4:9-10), the birth of the Messiah (5:2), and his universal and everlasting peace (5:5-6). Moreover, while the church today fulfills these prophecies it awaits the new heaven and new earth when they will be consummated.

    In the first of these visions with regard to the last days Micah sees Mount Zion established as the true religion over all false, pagan religions (4:1). He overhears the regenerate nations exhorting one another to come to Mount Zion to learn God's law, to hear God's word and to carry it back with them (v. 2). Reflecting upon what he saw and heard he predicts for these people a kingdom of peace: "they will beat their swords into plowshares" (v. 3); "every man will sit under his own fig tree" (v. 4). Until that happens, however, Micah and the remnant "will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever" (v. 5).

    In the second vision of these last days, Micah sees the lame remnant regathered as a strong nation (4:6-7); and in the third, the kingdom's former glory is again restored to Jerusalem (4:8). It should be borne in mind that earthly Jerusalem was always a replica of the heavenly, that the church today has come to the reality (i.e., the heavenly Jerusalem [Heb 12:22]), and that the old earthly symbols of the kingdom, including the temple on Mount Zion, have been done away forever (Heb 8:13).

    In the fourth vision, Micah transforms the cry of the exiles going into Babylon into the cry of a woman in labor. The remnant that survives the Babylonian exile will ultimately give birth to the new age (4:9-11); those who appeared defeated will become victorious (4:11-13).

    In the fifth vision and at the center of these glorious prophecies (5:1-6), Micah now predicts that the remnant will give birth to the Messiah, who will be born in lowly Bethlehem, David's cradle (v. 2 cf. Matt 2:1-6). He will shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord (v. 4 cf. John 10:11; Heb 13:20; 1 Peter 2:25; 5:4), and they will live securely (cf. Matt 16:18). He will be their peace, protecting them from all their enemies, including Assyria, the very symbol of oppression (vv. 5-6 cf. Luke 2:14; 24:36; Rom 5:1; 8:31-39; Eph 2:14).

    In the sixth vision, Micah foresees that the restored remnant will become a savor of life and death among the nations (5:7-9) (cf. 2 Cor 2:14-15).

    Finally, "in that day, " Micah says, the Lord will purge his people of all their former false confidences: military hardware, witchcraft, and idolatry (5:10-15). Having purged his imperium within, thereby protecting it from the divine anger against unholiness, the Lord promises to guard it from enemies without (v. 15).

    In the third cycle (6:1-7:20), Micah begins with a covenant law suit (6:1-8). Here the Lord clearly profiles the covenant relationship. He dealt with his people in sovereign grace, saving them from Egypt and bringing them safely into the promised land (vv. 1-5). However, instead of responding to his grace with a total commitment of trust in him that leads to covenant fidelity and obedience, they reduced the covenant to a bargaining contract (vv. 6-7). Micah shows the reader how absurd it is to try to establish a relationship with God in this way. The false worshiper begins bargaining with holocausts; he then offers one-year calves (already more costly) (v. 6), then thousands of rams, then ten thousand torrents of oil. Finally, he even offers the cruel sacrifice of his own child (v. 7). "Ten thousand rivers of oil" suggests that this approach to God has no limit and establishes neither a covenant relationship with God nor assurance of salvation. Oil is measured by the pint or quart (Exod 30:24; Num 15:9; 28:5). False worshipers think God's favor, like theirs, can be bought! Comparative religionists refer to Micah 6:8 as the quintessential expression of true religion. What the Lord actually requires is that the believer practice justice and faithful love, walking wisely with him. False worshipers offer the Lord everything but what he asks for: their loving and obedient hearts. Only those who comprehend his grace can and will offer him that.

    The prophet follows this law suit with yet another oracle of judgment (6:9-16). For Judah's corrupt and deceptive commercial practices (vv. 9-12), the Lord will bring on it all the curses of the covenant: sickness, sword, and exile (vv. 13-16). In the final judgment oracle (7:1-7) the ship of state breaks apart. Not an upright official is left (vv. 1-4), and so the nation falls into anarchy (vv. 5-6). Micah, however, confident of God's covenant faithfulness to the patriarchs, hopes in his saving God (v. 7). He will not be disappointed. His final prophecy concludes with a victory song (vv. 8-20). Micah's name means, "Who is like Yah, " and in this concluding prophecy he asks, "Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance?" (v. 18). As at the beginning of Israel's history the Lord hurled Pharaoh into the sea, now at the end of their history he will hurl all their sins into the sea (v. 19). Although Israel has been unfaithful, the Lord will remain faithful to his covenant promises to Abraham and the fathers (v. 20); he cannot deny himself (2 Tim 2:13).

    As God's justice informs Micah's judgment-oracles and his righteousness the salvation-oracles, so God's other sublime attributes inform both. The omniscient God even knows what the greedy land barons are plotting on their beds (2:1). He predicts the Babylonian exile and the survival of the remnant, and the birth of his Messiah in Bethlehem and the triumph of his rule, and brings them to pass.

    In his first prophecy, Micah pictures Israel's Ruler as a victorious conqueror. He rises from his heavenly throne, marches forth from his holy sanctuary, and strides upon the earth's heights (1:3). Under the heat of the Lord's glowing wrath and under his heavy tread, the eternal and majestic mountains melt and flow like hot wax, and the arable plains where humankind finds its immediate source of life split apart like waterfalls roaring down a rocky gorge (v. 4). When this majestic God suddenly erupts with awesome power, puny human walls and fortifications crumble and fall into ravines (vv. 6-7). Humans feel secure as long as the long-suffering God remains in heaven; but when he marches forth in judgment, they are gripped by the stark reality that they must meet the holy God in person.

    Bruce K. Waltke

  • Jr
    Jr

    Hi all, This is a half dissent thread. But, I didn't think
    JW's had to argue the pronunciation of God's name. We
    did study that subject quite a bit, I think????? :|?
    Well, if you will.
    Some very good points are being made here. For
    those that have a respect for Jehovah and his word,
    one thing you will find in this discussion, is sound
    Scriptural truths. If you listen and study what is
    being said, you will find them.(Prov.2:1-9)
    Welcome aboard Logical!

    Jr

  • ianao
    ianao

    Hey MDS, here is another trinitarian slant on Micah 4:6,7:

    http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol28/htm/iv.4.v.htm

    Interesting INTERPRETATIONS, eh?

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    RedhorseWoman
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