Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic? (page 21)

Recovery

Well I guess we should celebrate Halloween and get dressed up and pretend to be demons and ghosts and witches and psychics and wizards because they are simply fantasy, and are not attributed to real spirits.

I guess we should all play with oojiua boards since they are simply fantasy and are not attributed to real spirits.

I guess we should watch goory, blood spilling, horror flicks that depict brutal murder, torture, rape, and violence simply because they are fantasy and are not attributed to real spirits/people.

I guess anything goes and God's laws don't apply because pretty much everything in our entertainment today is attributed to fantasy and not real, historical events.

So who's going trick or treating this year?

rather be in hades

i think the first question that should be asked is if magic or miracles are actually possible.

if they are possible, then questioning the difference between magic and miracles makes sense and demanding the author retract/edit is reasonable.

if they are not possible and do not exist in reality, then the statement made can take on different meanings.

Christ Alone

I guess we should all play with oojiua boards since they are simply fantasy and are not attributed to real spirits.

Uhhhh...they ARE atributed to real spirits...

I guess we should watch goory, blood spilling, horror flicks that depict brutal murder, torture, rape, and violence simply because they are fantasy and are not attributed to real spirits/people.

Fallacy. Nothing to do with the topic and has nothing to do with spiritism. Nice one.

not real, historical events.

Where did real historical events come in? I was talking about the kind of magic the Bible condemns. Slight of hand....wow... I know JWs that would laugh at you for thinking that is condemned by the Bible.

elderelite

Ah ok... So its not the act itself, its the SOURCE of the act. That alone is the defining differance....?

How does that harmonize with deutromy?

Recovery

ChristAlones argument basically comes down to this: Sparlock is not a real wizard, a real practicer of magic, so therefore its okay and perfectly acceptable in God's eyes to have such a toy.

But how many of us would play with oojiua boards? How many of us could honestly see nothing wrong with little children dressing up as wizards and demons and goblins and devils for Halloween? How many of us would sit down and watch a gory, bloody, extremely sadistic violent film and say, oh there's nothing wrong with that. It's just FANTASY. These things aren't REALLY happening.

This type of reasoning is faulty and as ChristAlone has repeatedly called this discussion, retardedness.

cedars

Recovery

But how many of us would play with oojiua boards? How many of us could honestly see nothing wrong with little children dressing up as wizards and demons and goblins and devils for Halloween?

As part of your "research", I recommend reading the Wikipedia article on Ouija boards - specifically how they work. I'll give you a spoiler - the common consensus seems to be that they're not operated by the spirit world.

I won't hold my breath that you'll follow my recommendation, since (1) you still haven't followed my recommendation to read Crisis of Conscience, a book you were bent on criticizing, and (2) you seem more interested in causing a stir and getting attention than actually getting answers to your questions.

Cedars

Recovery

I guess I have to break down every little thing for ChristAlone to understand, otherwise he will belittle me and call me names like the big bully on the playground during recess.

Because Sparlock is not an actual wizard, casting spells, and is attributed to fantasy, you are arguing it shouldn't be condemned. The examples I posted of oojiua boards, halloween costumes, depictions of rape and murder, and a plethora of what we find in today's entertainment can all be considered 'fantasy'. They are not attributed to real people, as real events, as actual occurrences, but simply fantasy.

By this line of reasoning none of God's laws apply when selecting entertainment since it is all fantasy and not attributed to actual occurrences.

ChristAlone's reasoning, not Recovery's.

cedars

Recovery

depictions of rape and murder

I thought this thread was about magic?

Cedars

Recovery

Well we're talking about fantasy now. Keep up.

cedars

Well we're talking about fantasy now. Keep up.

Oh right, so who took the thread off-topic from simple magic to anything at all that is fictitious?

I find it funny that you're telling me to keep up!

Cedars

Jwfacts, Why Do You Equate Miracles With Magic?

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