Jesus wife fragment is a fake

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tec

Something to mull over, once I know Jesus well enough to know his commands and love him, only THEN will he show himself? After I already know him then he will let me know him? Paul wasn't reaching out to Jesus and already know his will, Jesus reached out to him. Cornelius didn't know Jesus, yet Jesus sent someone to him. The man infected by Legion didn't know Jesus, yet Jesus reached out to him.
I loved Him from what I read of His teachings and deeds. (well, he teaches me more and more about love the more I understand him, but it was the best I knew at the time)
Paul suffered FOR Christ, as he once made others suffer because of their witnesses to Christ. If you want that sort of a revelation, you can ask, but I think it might come with the same amount of suffering.
Christ came to US (for the lost sheep of Israel, including the man at gethsamene). He did that. HE reached out. People loved him then for it, and still love Him today for it. He also did something for us, in laying down his life, in forgiving us our sins. Whether you understand it or not, HE did it... and he didn't have to do anything at all.
There are so many examples of Jesus proactively reaching out that the claim that I somehow have to know all about from a book that YOU claim is full of misinformation from lying scibes, divine what's true about Jesus, obey him and THEN he will let me know him is laughable. Particularly when you have said many times that ALL you have to go is ask.
Well then i was not clear... you do have to ask, but you also have to listen. To Him. The most I can do right now is offer personal experience and understanding.
I did not count days. I did the best I could to follow Him. If I never heard Him, I would have continued to follow Him. Because his teachings are true, and from love... both in word and deed.
I did not care how long it took. I concentrated on what I was supposed to be doing, and trusted in him to do what He says He will do. Because I loved Him. Because I believed Him. Not because I wanted something as a reward... other than to do what He wanted me to do.
However, you say you're asking. So I will say again, great. Keep asking; keep knocking. If you want to know Him, but perhaps lack faith, then ask for faith as well.
Yeah, exactly. And I have a manual that is explicit. And the GPS can often figure out that even if I didn't ask the exact right way that I am trying to get somewhere and can help. You are telling the to go to Jesus to use the manual that's full of lies and figure it out on
my own and once I have figured it out, then he will give me the right manual with clear instructions. Or not, depending on if he likes my attitude or the way I phrased the question or if he thinks I asked hard enough.
God did not give you the bible as a manual or guide to come to Him.
God gave you Christ.
Because most of us walk by sight and not by faith (at least until we learn to walk by faith); we have the gospels and revelations and prophets written down to help us. To point a finger, so to speak. These are imperfect, but so are the people who write them down. They are not meant to be considered the truth instead of Christ, and they are not meant to replace Him... but rather be a witness to Him. After the witness, if you want to know the person being witnessed to... and perhaps get to know the person themselves, then you have to go to THEM.
Peace,
tammy
tec

Actually, my gps will re route my destination if I decide to go a different way and will STILL get me there. It still talks to me regardless of if I listen to it or not. And I can still hear it regardless of it I choose to listen or not.

I enter the destination...it responds
And if you enter a destination that is not on its map, then it will not give you those directions. I know, I had trouble with one destination in Cali this summer, lol. Peace, tammy
Joey Jo-Jo

Christ alone wrote The thing with people and their blame of God in acting too slow is...If He doesn't respond in the manner and length that we deem is appropriate, then He is either slow, cruel, or doesn't exist.
Humanism is like this. It's all about self. There is nothing greater than self. And self dictates everything. There is no greater power outside of ourself, and many (though not all) come to this conclusion because their concept of God did not respond in the way and speed that they thought He would. So He must not exist. I see it over and over again. Yes, I acknowledge that there are those that use science to support their non belief in God. But for many people science was not the reason they stopped believing, but it was a way to explain why they already didn't believe. I'm not saying that is everyone, but I have met many people that are this way.
You happen to be Alun by any chance?
As for your comments, it was not science that lead me to atheism but the bible, psychology and philosophy. 1 the bible has contradictions 2 the bible does not make any sense (e.g. read jude) 3 god of the old testament is a genocidal maniac 4 philosophy disproves of what many claim to be godly attributes, 5 psychology proves my point as the reason why many had and continue to believe in deities.
EntirelyPossible

Paul suffered FOR Christ, as he once made others suffer because of their witnesses to Christ. If you want that sort of a revelation, you can ask, but I think it might come with the same amount of suffering.
Paul suffered AFTER Jesus had proactively revealed himself to Paul. At that time, Paul was killing Christians. I am asking and NOT killing anyone. Why can't Jesus hook me up?
you do have to ask, but you also have to listen. To Him.
I AM listening. Waiting and listening and asking and hearing NOTHING.
However, you say you're asking. So I will say again, great. Keep asking; keep knocking. If you want to know Him, but perhaps lack faith, then ask for faith as well.
Paul didn't ask for faith. Paul asked for nothing. It was pushed on him. Why are Jesus and God so partial when the Bible says they aren't partial?
God gave you Christ.
And I am asking him. And get nothing. The talk of walking by faith falls flat when you have examples of people like Paul who had the opposite of faith, people like Thomas who required physical proof, getting things from Jesus and so many other examples of people sincerly asking, begging, and getting nothing.
EntirelyPossible

And if you enter a destination that is not on its map, then it will not give you those directions.
It will suggest destinations and at LEAST let you know that it can't find what you are asking for. Jesus just says nothing.
tec

Paul suffered AFTER Jesus had proactively revealed himself to Paul. At that time, Paul was killing Christians. I am asking and NOT killing anyone. Why can't Jesus hook me up?
Yeah, exactly, that is my point. It was extreme. He had to face the truth about himself as well, and that is often not so much fun. Some of us prefer to listen to lies (sometimes those make us feel better about ourselves), and so there is no room for the truth because we will not hear it. Paul faced it. He was wrong.
I AM listening. Waiting and listening and asking and hearing NOTHING.
Neither did I hear for a long time. (For a long time, I did not want to have God send me His Spirit. That was a bit too much for me for a while. Faith, and putting faith in someone even if that means ridicule for us, can be a scary thing) But I kept following Him regardless, until one day i did ask, and kept asking. But it was never that he wasn't speaking to me. I did not hear Him.
Christ is quiet. He does not shout. He does not force us to listen to Him. Or even to hear Him. ( I know of no one other than Paul )
For me, he speaks in a quiet and calm inner voice. Sometimes in words. Sometimes in deep understanding that is felt/known (deep... like a truth written in your bones/blood). Sometimes he shows me something that I missed, often by reminding me of something (perhaps in a bible verse, or in something that someone else said) when I need to 'see' it.
Peace to you,
tammy
(oh, and Thomas had walked with him in his life through his trials, following him on faith... BEFORE... he got 'shown' the proof he asked for, concerning the resurrection)
EntirelyPossible

Yeah, exactly, that is my point. It was extreme. He had to face the truth about himself as well, and that is often not so much fun.
But AFTER Jesus had practively given Paul exactly what Paul needed WITHOUT Paul having to ask. I am ASKING over and over and getting NOTHING. Paul was torturing and killing Christians when Jesus pushed his way into Paul's life. You can't sell the line that Paul was knocking at the door and asking.
Paul suffering AFTER he loved Jesus isn't the point. It's like saying I would suffer for my kids after they were born. Of course I would. But had you asked me at 20 to suffer for my future children from a future wife that I didn't even know yet....that would be a stretch.
Stop moving to goalposts, Tammy.
Neither did I hear for a long time. (For a long time, I did not want to have God send me His Spirit. That was a bit too much for me for a while. Faith, and putting faith in someone even if that means ridicule for us, can be a scary thing) But I kept following Him regardless, until one day i did ask, and kept asking.
You just wrote that you kept following someone and didn't want what he had to offer until you decided to repeatedly ask for it and got what you didn't want until you asked for it.
Sense....this is making none.
(oh, and Thomas had walked with him in his life through his trials, following him on faith... BEFORE... he got 'shown' the proof he asked for, concerning the resurrection)
Oh, and Thomas saw Jesus perform miracles, heal the sick, raise the dead, expel demons, turn wine into water. I ain't seen shit from Jesus yet.
King Solomon

CA said:
I read a ton, and there is no answer to this question. It can't be simulated. The theories that DO exist are ridiculous to me. Mutations on the backs of crystals? Hmmm...
Oh, yeah, EP: I overlooked that, as it's proof that CA doesn't have clue of what he rejects simply because it seems ridiculous to him (and no kidding, discussions over the quality of various translations of Flaubert's Madame Bovery seem nonsensical to me, too, since I don't speak French, and hence don't have enough knowledge of the subject to form or hold an informed opinion; I only can parrot).
CA, mutations don't occur "on the backs of crystals". You're confusing different topics here ("mutations" refer to a change in DNA, which arises randomly. "Crystals"? I suppose you may have heard about protein synthesis occurring on crystalline substrates, acting as catalysts).
Some people study chemical reactions that can occur on crystals; others have to be content to see crystals as magical stones which point to God.
OUTLAW

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tec

But AFTER Jesus had practively given Paul exactly what Paul needed WITHOUT Paul having to ask. I am ASKING over and over and getting NOTHING. Paul was torturing and killing Christians when Jesus pushed his way into Paul's life. You can't sell the line that Paul was knocking at the door and asking.
I never tried to sell that line.
I don't that revelation had anything to do with what Paul wanted. Or that it was easy. Are you saying that you want what Paul had, because I'm pretty sure that would include ALL of the hardship, beatings, imprisonment, mockery, etc, that Paul underwent as well.
Paul suffering AFTER he loved Jesus isn't the point. It's like saying I would suffer for my kids after they were born. Of course I would. But had you asked me at 20 to suffer for my future children from a future wife that I didn't even know yet....that would be a stretch.
Stop moving to goalposts, Tammy.
Not moving the goalposts. You seem to think that I am saying his suffering AFTER made him worthy BEFORE. I am not.

You just wrote that you kept following someone and didn't want what he had to offer until you decided to repeatedly ask for it and got what you didn't want until you asked for it.
Followed Christ. Wary of this Holy Spirit business and wasn't ready to ask for that... whatever that was. DID ask for God to send His Son (not realizing that this is the same as asking for Holy Spirit)
Long time still before I understood that, and before I had the faith to hear Him.
(let lots of other teachings/voices - religion, men, fear, doubt - get in the way of hearing Him)

Oh, and Thomas saw Jesus perform miracles, heal the sick, raise the dead, expel demons, turn wine into water. I ain't seen shit from Jesus yet.
But he followed him before even those, did he not?
He recognized Christ. He recognized the Truth in His words, teachings, deeds... and he followed Him. Perhaps that is because God called him to Christ... enabled him to hear. You can ask to hear and to see as well though. If you want.
Peace,
tammy

Jesus wife fragment is a fake

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