Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries 147 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  Finkelstein

  I think masons think Jehovah is somebody else.

  No they don't, they perceive God as Jehovah or Yahweh the god of the ancient Hebrews.

  hence the reason they are assuming they are replicated king's Solomon's Temple and the worship that took place there.

  There is a concept that god is Christ in human form though like many other churches of Christendom.

  God in spiritual form is Jehovah, God in human form is Jesus Christ.

  Take a look at this web site EOM for some more information upon the Freemasons and King Solomon's temple.

  http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/king_solomon_temple.html
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  EndofMysteries

  finkelstein, are you a mason? You are not speaking truth about what they believe. On the high levels they believe something else and for those who get to those levels it will make a lot of sense why they believe it. I am not going to get into it, but if you are, you are either a low level and haven't reached that mystery yet, or the information you've read was published by them to cover up, etc.
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  EndofMysteries

  they put the bible into a different dimension and it doesn't end up teaching what all other religions have concluded, that's all I am going to say.
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  EndofMysteries

  I'm seriously going to get to the bottom of the name Jehovah after my current project. Going to try to find the first time it was ever mentioned, etc. If it was truly from translating hebrew to english or if it existed before that.
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  Finkelstein

  they put the bible into a different dimension and it doesn't end up teaching what all other religions have concluded, that's all I am going to say.

  Well DUH ! of course they are exclusive and different from other religions who base their beliefs from the bible.

  Nevertheless they do base their beliefs from the bible as I eluded to, particularly concerning the emulation of King Solomon's Temple.

  This web site is very explanatory upon the Freemason beliefs and practices.

  http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/king_solomon_temple.html
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  NeverKnew

  EoM: To find out where the name "Jehovah" came from, you might want to look up Raymundus Martini, Roman Catholic Monk.

  As for the Mason/Russell link, I'm thinking that I could meander over to the Recorder of Deeds building across the street from my office and find out who owned the land the Mason building was built upon before it was sold to the Mason's. I truly suspect it was a Mason. It was too much land sold for too cheap a price.

  If I knew how to post screenshots using an iMac, I'd show you what I have access to in a heartbeat.

  *Edited to remove identifying info for possible future lurkers I try to drive to this site...*
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  EndofMysteries

  Yahweh and Jehovah are two different names, I know generally what they believe on the high levels, based on some things I've read, I question if they believe the name 'jehovah' is the God of the Israelites or that name is someone else entirely. But bottom line, and either you know or have no clue, but who they view as the almighty is not something you would learn in any church that go by the bible.
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  EndofMysteries

  NeverKnew - wow that would be awesome! It would be great to know of the WT had owned that property and the masons bought it from them or if just a big coincidence they happen to buy all that land and setup one of the most impressive mason temples I've seen of late. Also if possible to find out who owned that cemetary. The name of the cemetary is listed but who owned and ran it or if it's still the same. If the cemetary and property were all owned by masons, then it could be Russell bought all those plots and was buried there in a mason cemetary and now they used some of the land to build the temple.
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  Finkelstein

  Whether they use Yahweh or Jehovah is irreverent, the beliefs are structure around the god of the ancient Israelites,

  plain and simple.

  By the way Wiki has much infromation about when and where the name Jehovah was derived from.
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  Christ Alone

  I'm seriously going to get to the bottom of the name Jehovah after my current project.

  EOM, you can do this, but it's been done MANY times on this site. It's been researched and researched and researched. It is quite conclusive that the pronunciation of the tetragrammeton (YHWH) was lost, and it certainly wasn't anything close to "Jehovah". Yahweh seems to be more correct, but even this is not an accurate pronunciation of the original.

  By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form "Jehova(h)." The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation.

  Bruce Metzger, who criticizes the KJV's misusage of Jehovah, gives additional information:(7)

  The form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word ....The word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew. The use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom the true God had to be distinguished, began to be discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.

  Finally, the Jewish Encyclopedia (click here) says this about the name: A mispronunciation (introduced by Christian theologians, but almost entirely disregarded by the Jews) of the Hebrew "Yhwh," the (ineffable) name of God (theTetragrammaton or "Shem ha-Meforash"). This pronunciation is grammatically impossible; it arose through pronouncing the vowels of the "?ere" (marginal reading of the Masorites: = "Adonay") with the consonants of the "ketib" (text-reading: = "Yhwh")—"Adonay" (the Lord) being substituted with one exception whereverYhwh occurs in the Biblical and liturgical books.

  The pronunciation was lost in antiquity. It doesn't matter anyway. Contrary to what JWs say, Jesus did not make sure that everyone knew the name "Jehovah" and used it. He showed that we now have a different relationship with God and we now call Him "Father". The slaves, the Jews, called God by His name, but we are now adopted as sons of God and have the honor of calling Him "Abba" or "Father".