Analysis of anti-607 BCE Rebuttals

by Ethos 529 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    Its really you and Jeffro who are not good at this.Scholar after scholar, historian after historian, dictionary after dictionary,
    they have all shown that it was believed to be a 70 year exile ......Ethos

    Dictionary after dictionary have all shown that it was believed to be a 70 year exile?..


    Which dictionaries would those be?..Do you know what a dictionary is?..

    LOL!!..

    This is 2 funny,bordering on 3 funny..

    Thanks for the 1st laugh of the morning..

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  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Finally, a bit of humor in this truly mind numbing topic.

    Thank you Outlaw

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Good Morning ((Josie!))..

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  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    You say I havent brought forth any evidence but the only basis you have for 538 is Josephus writings and pure speculation.

    Provide evidence that 537 BCE is the correct date for the exiles' return. Prove that your 537 BCE date is not speculation.

    Scholar after scholar, historian after historian, dictionary after dictionary, they have all shown that it was believed to be a 70 year exile.

    Haven't you read a single word of my previous post? Many of your quoted scholars are more in tune with OUR position rather than yours because you haven't noticed that they count the 70 years exile from the beginning of Nebuchadnezzar's reign when he took Daniel and his friends!

    Stop quote-mining and do more thorough research.

    OUTLAW, this thread was seriously lacking your input. Please remedy

  • Ethos
    Ethos

    Ridiculous. Who cares about when they believe the 70 year exile began. The point is they associate the 70 year servitude with the 70 year exile, with the 70 year paying off of sabbaths, which the 70 year desolation of Jerusalem. I've shown that to you from various bible commentaries and translations of 2 Chronicles 36:21. They're all the same and you tenaciously attempt to separate each one of them with ridiculous eisegetical elucidations.

    Oh yeah....here's some real humor for you:

    AnnoMaly says: "Jerusalem was desolated from 609 to 539" (70 years)

    2 Chronicles 36:21 "ALL the days of lying desolated it KEPT SABBATH."

    AnnoMaly and Jeffro say the land kept sabbath for only 49 years. This is getting embarassing.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Good Morning ((Ann!))..

    Dictionary after dictionary..

    And..

    Superman Peeing through a Ceramic Urinal and Wall

    Have all shown that it was believed to be a 70 year exile.

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  • Ethos
    Ethos

    Bible dictionaries SHERLOCK.

    You might wanna go look at what the International Standard Bible DICTIONARY said about the sabbaths and the exile.

    After reading AnnoMaly and Jeffro's ridiculous argument I'd be trying to find a little humor to detract from their embarrassement as well.

    Pterist is reduced to cut and pastes. AnnoMaly and Jeffro are reduced to contradicting their own chronology and their own secular sources. They are reduced to quibbling over when the 70 year exile is said to begin instead of acknowledging many sources INDEED connect the servitude with the 70 year exile regardless of when it started. They've been reduced to ignoring all reliable secular sources that allow for a possible 537 return. It is indeed quite hilarious.

  • Pterist
    Pterist

    Ethos....*** 2 Chronicles 36:21 "ALL the days of lying desolated it KEPT SABBATH."*****

    I can't resist.....Ethos, you obviously have no idea about the time period for land paying off sabbaths, even though the scriptures have been shown to you here, time and time again.....

    Here is a clue .....what happens in a jubilee year ? What is the maximum time period to a Jubilee year. Read Leviticus 25.

    Shalom.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW
    Bible dictionaries SHERLOCK You might wanna go look at what the International Standard Bible DICTIONARY said about the sabbaths and the exile......Ethos

    Your Ass has been Kicked all over the Board..

    A bible dictionary Won`t help You..

    Theres Not a Single Encyclopedia that Agrees with You..

    Your ..

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  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    When one gathers all available bits of information from various sources including the chronological dating within the bible itself.

    It becomes evident that 605 BCE. was the year that Jerusalem was annexed by Babylon via Nebuchadnezzar II, the same year he

    became ruler/King upon his father's death. The start of the exile to Babylon also started within that year.

    Likewise the finally destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by Nebuchadnezzar II did occur in 586 BCE.

    It should also be noted that there is archaeological proof by way tablets and cylinders biographically dating events pertaining to

    Nebucbhnezzar II in support toward other sources, including the bible.

    You can play games with pushing a year forward or backward all you want but you cant fight against practical evidence.

    What year was the year that exiles returned to Jerusalem isn't exactly clear. 538, 537, 536 ???

    We do know of what year the Decree of Cyrus was handed down the same year he over thorough Babylon (538).

    Irregardless 607 or 609 shouldn't be an important factor weighing upon the evidence of 605.

    One might surmise that since the captivity from the start to the eventual release from Babylon accumulated close to 70 years in approximation,

    that a post- prophecy was told to support the power and controlling direction of their god of the ancient Israelites (YHWH)

    7 being the most sacred of numbers concerning this god and venerated by this ancient civilization.

    It is prudent to be intellectually honest when evaluating the historical evidence of humanity's history, isn't that right Ethos ?

    By the way it should be mentioned that if you subtract 70 years from 605 you end up at 535 BCE, 3 years after the proposed Decree

    of Cyrus. Does it seem plausible that people would wait 3 years after they were freed to return to their homeland ? ? ?

    Or they would subjectively wait 3 years to substantiate a prophecy that was set 100 years prior to their captivity ?

    These are real questions where one has to apply logic with a bit of intellectual honesty to derive at a probable conclusion.

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