So, you can't know God unless you do, and then it's likely to be icomplete and wrong.... what good is that?
Soundns like you just described love, LOL !
Fair enough.
Faith... and Trust: The Same Things?
by AGuest 452 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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PSacramento
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EntirelyPossible
Incomplete and wrong is how you see love? Interesting.
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PSacramento
Now you're being silly.
I was really speaking about marriage !
:P
Pretty sure the "LOL" makes it clear I am kidding.
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Inkie
“one of the things that I am concerned about regarding the new areopagus that AGuest and tec "set up" is the fact that that IS their place to meet with others and share their "faith(s)".”
And is there something amiss about doing what you say they are doing? What exactly is “your” “concern”? Are you just as “concerned” with every other non-Catholic denomination too? If not, why not?
“I wonder what these people would do if the internet went down forever...”
Don’t you think they would do what they did before the Internet?
where would these people go to gather with like-minded individuals?...
There is no need for them to “go” anywhere. Do you not know this? The “where” you speak really is a “whom” you SHOULD be speaking of.
“they have rejected true and honest fellowship with the mainstream church.”
“Mainstream”? Are you serious?
“I know AGuest and co. have been building their "church" on sand,”
Oh, so you are a land evaluator? You know the qualities of various types of land? Good for you.
“essentially. the internet is indispensable to their fellowship.”
And your point is what?
“Jesus built the church on peter”
So some say, but the truth is the Christ built the church on himself. He is the foundation cornerstone.
“and wind and rain has not washed it away...”
Nor has rain or wind cleansed the Roman Catholic Church from all of the atrocities it has committed over the centuries.
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PSacramento
No need for throwing accusations around, I remind Us all of Matthew 5.
No one here is being persecuted but we must show love for those that disagree and bare false witness against us.
but ( BB ) whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 ( BC ) Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
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EntirelyPossible
I have no desire to accept the mark of the beast, which is what AGuest's forum no doubt hands out with it's *diplomacy wrapped in pseudo christian "spirituality"..
Ridiculous.
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Angharad
There is no need for your comments to be so personal against Aguest - if you don't like her forum don't go there. We are not going to allow this forum to be a place to attack and insult people that go there. It's an internet forum, end of story all this talk of it being a cult and a church is just ridiculous, we will not be allowing stuff from over there to be brought here for the sole purpose of ridiculing it and the people that post there.
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AGuest
one of the things that I am concerned about regarding the new areopagus that AGuest and tec "set up" is the fact that that IS their place to meet with others and share their "faith(s)". acts 17:21
Why is something that is ours of concern to YOU? Did you not hear (or read in the Bible, since that's your god) that we are to make it our aim to live quietly... and "mind [our] own business?" What business, then, is it of yours if we have a place were we CAN share... in agreement, disagreement, humor, contemplation, heat, and calm... but civilly, with decency, and without malice? We don't care or have any (and I do mean ANY, at least as to ME)... what YOU do... or where. Or how. Because... hear me, now... it's aint nuna my bizness. To YOUR own master you will stand... or fall.
I wonder what these people would do if the internet went down forever...where would these people go to gather with like-minded individuals?
Ummmmm... where we do outside of the internet? In one another's homes from time to time? The telephone? Through letters? Goodness, I realize you may not be as... well, mature... as some of us are, but we DO remember what the world was like pre-Internet. Some of us actually met before coming on the Internet. I mean, there always has been... and most probably always will be... word of mouth.
...they have rejected true and honest fellowship with the mainstream church.
Whoa. What's true, pray tell, and honest... about the "mainstream" church? And which one in particular are YOU referring to/a member of? I mean, because there quite a number of them... because, well, they don't agree with one another, either. But, yeah, some of us have. Some of us haven't. So what?
I know AGuest and co. have been building their "church" on sand, essentially. the internet is indispensable to their fellowship.
We aren't building a church, Michelle. For two reasons, if you can wrap your tiny little mind... and even tinier heart around these truths:
1. We ARE the church... LIVING STONES... in the temple [of God]; and
2. The ONLY one who can build the TRUE church... is Christ. HE gathers and forms us into walls, pillars, etc., not we ourselves. Nor any other person. So regardless of what I... or anyone else... might "think" [we] are doing in this regard, we are NOT. I don't think so, though, because I'm into fallacies. I know that I can build UP that church... by ENCOURAGING it... by MY faith, and MY gifts... and so sharing what I receive... but that's all I CAN do. Because I don't choose the "stones" in JAH's temple: HE does, through Christ.
Get... a... clue.
Jesus built the church on peter
No, he did not. You totally misunderstand his statement TO Peter. He is building his church/temple on the rock that is FAITH... LIKE Peter's... that Christ IS the Son of God, which truth Peter RECEIVED... NOT from man, but from the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, Himself. Peter PUT FAITH in the thing heard... and what he HEARD.. FROM JAH... is that Christ was and is His Son. Rather than DOUBTING this... like many of his CONTEMPORARIES... Peter DEMONSTRATED is faith... when he responded that HE KNEW Christ WAS the Son of God... and NOT just some guy who came along claiming to be "Messiah." Peter COULD demonstrate this... because he BELIEVED what he HEARD about it.
Christ... is the ROCK... and it is on faith in HIM... that his "church" was, is, and will be BUILT.
Read the account... and stop parroting what those who also don't have a clue have told you. STOP relying on the lies you've been told by such ones, men who do NOT know... because they do NOT possess the promised holy spirit... and go ask for just a TINY bit of that spirit FOR YOURSELF... so that NO ONE will have to tell you the truth about these things, including ME. Indeed, I wish ALL would simply go straight to the Source... because THEN what was prophesied will be FULFILLED... and MY work will be DONE:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares JaHVeH.“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts. I will be their God,
and they will be my people.No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know JaHVeH,’ because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,” declares JaHVeH..." Jeremiah 31:33, 34Because my Lord KNOWS... that folks like you... haughty, hard-hearted, hard-headed, and STIFF-necked "Israel"... make me tired sometimes. Such ones have made EVERYONE sent to them, or who tries to reason with them, tired. Including Christ himself. That One, however, did not give out in his love... and long-suffering... toward "Israel"... and so neither can we.
and wind and rain has not washed it away...
Au contrare. If PETER was the rock on which my Lord built his church, there would be no followers of PAUL! And such far, far out number the followers of Peter.
the fellowship IS without the internet. ephesians 2:19-22
So says Peter. Oh, wait... that was Paul...
Please, go... do... and fellowship wherever YOU wish/need to, besides the Internet. Because the "flying scroll" will do YOU no good. Zechariah 5:1 At least, it, appears it hasn't thus far.
they have both faith and trust in their marketplace of ideas
Wait are you TALKING about? It's just CHEAPER, Michelle... than long distance phone calling. Some live in other states, some in other countries, on other continents. The Body of Christ isn't limited or restricted to any local neighborhood! It's UNIVERSAL and includes humans AND spirit beings. The very "revelation" that you include here SHOWS that, per the angel who GAVE the relevation stating, "I am a FELLOW slave of you and your brothers." It does not matter where... or HOW... we "gather" ourselves - as long as (1) there are two or more, and (2) "dead body" of Christ is the FOCUS... the "spirits" (what some have misinterpreted to be "eagles" - birds of prey, due to misunderstanding what is meant by "flying, flesh eating")... human AND non-human...
Get... a... clue.
now but will they be ones who are lamenting?...1 corinthians 3:9-17...revelation 18:14,17
Methinks it's you. I mean, looks and sounds like you and some others are doing that NOW.
love Michelle
Sadly, you don't yet know what... or Who... love IS. Really, you should get a clue, first.
A slave of Christ,
SA
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AGuest
it sounds like you go there and get the same atmosphere that you find in a church...but in the case of that forum it is reverence for all things "spiritual".
Please... re-read what you stated... and then ask yourself, just what IS [my; your, Michelle] problem?
dare I say that some people might even check in "religiously"...more often than they would a church
You can dare say (your choice and free will), but you would be wrong. They check in... because they like the place and consider some there friends, of course. You know, like many, many... MUCH many more... do here...
because there is no accountability to those "outside" that mindwarp...
For some, no, there isn't (except perhaps to themselves, which is often a very high level). But for others, myself included, there certainly IS accountability "outside"... because our accountability is to Christ, who really is OUTSIDE the forum. I have told others he is not there (but they keep coming and "looking". It is as my Lord said, though, "Looking... they look in vain." Same with you... and addition to hearing: they (and you) hear... but in vain.
if you are one to bow and scrape before AGuest...would you invite someone you respected from "outside" to check in there?...
First, no one bows and scrapes to me... and I wish you who say that would consider just how insulting to those you are trying to include in that lie is. Especially you who go around touting "love." Second, I and those there HAVE so invited. Where do you think folks come FROM? The site is open to ALL, believer AND non-believer. And your very idiotic statements here insults both.
how about your boss, or a priest from your church?
I can't answer for anyone else, but I certainly would if they let me know, asked, implied, or intimated that they were curious about the kinds of things we discuss. Absolutely. Why NOT?
I have no desire to accept the mark of the beast, which is what AGuest's forum no doubt hands out with it's *diplomacy wrapped in pseudo christian "spirituality"...
So, then, you've never visited there, right? Yet, you seem to have an uncanny knowledge of what goes on/is discussed there... and by whom. Tell us, please, what spirit has informed YOU... so that YOU can know something without having seen it with YOUR eyes?
Good golly, girl... have you NO sense of truth in you??? None at ALL??flee from her...(1 timothy 6:1-2, 20-21)
Ummmm... that wouldn't be me, chile'. I am not "her" nor am I of "her." I am a seed of the [other] Woman... Jerusalem Above, the FREE wife of the Most Holy One of Israel, my FATHER, JAH... of Armies. Who, though, is YOUR father? What is his NAME? Surely, as one of his children, you know his NAME? What child doesn't know his own father's name... except, perhaps, an illegitimate child... or one whose father perhaps has died (and is dead yet)?
*The art or practice of conducting international relations, as in negotiating alliances, treaties, and agreements.
Oooh, that "sounds" SO deep. I don't believe YOU know what it MEANS, though...
A slave of Christ,
SA
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NewChapter
I realize you may not be as... well, mature... as some of us are, but we DO remember what the world was like pre-Internet.
For two reasons, if you can wrap your tiny little mind... and even tinier heart around these truths:
Because my Lord KNOWS... that folks like you... haughty, hard-hearted, hard-headed, and STIFF-necked "Israel"... make me tired sometimes.
Sadly, you don't yet know what... or Who... love IS. Really, you should get a clue, first.
May I respectfully say, that I completely understand that we should not get personal. I completely respect telling a poster to warn them back in line. I do. But please look at the above. I'm just pointing out that some are capable of dishing it out pretty good themselves. I'm not defending attacks, but just pointing out more personal attacks.