Faith... and Trust: The Same Things?

by AGuest 452 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Lozhasleft

  I always try not to judge you EE or other elders who post here while leading double lives. I've made a point of saying so on here more than once.

  I couldn't do what you do, if I was hanging on in the WTBS for my family then I'd keep a very low profile, I couldn't subscribe to their hierarchical corrupt systems, I couldn't be a hypocrite, but.... I'm not you, I've not walked in your shoes for a month or even a day.

  Once you start judging people adversely here though, for their beliefs and actions, then it kind of starts to be something that sticks in the throat, that you feel qualified to judge others here. Maybe it shouldnt. It just does.

  Loz x
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  NewChapter

  I absolutely will call other believers wrong when they teach something to be true, that is in opposition of Christ, especially if that something is of hate, anger, fear, threats, etc. When it is something that i do NOT know the answer to... AND... it is not in conflict with Christ and love, then I 'shelve it' until (or if) I get clarification. I have no reason to call it wrong, if it is not in conflict with Christ and love, and if I do not have any different knowledge. And if I do understand differently, but what someone else is still not in conflict with Christ or love, then I might just state... "I understand a bit differently, but you continue to follow Him as He leads YOU."

  Okay, so as long as it does not clearly disagree with your understanding of Christ, it is good to go. Those that believe that the church was built on Peter may just understand it a bit differently. Or is that in conflict with your understanding, and therefore, wrong? This will clear things up for me.
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  cofty

  Hi Benjie - don't worry we are a nice bunch really. Shelby (AGuest) is just a bit more excitable than usual tonight. It will pass.

  I saw you hello thread - please tell us a bit about your story if possible?
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  NewChapter

  Yes, NC... why? Why did YOU need to defend (sorry, that's not what you were doing... even though it was. Some TRUTH here, people!)? Michelle can't a double to the pitch SHE threw out there? Then what in the WORLD is she doing on the field?? And why are YOU pinch-hitting for her? Oh, that's right: you also hate the other "team". Well, they say the quickest way to bring two enemies together... is to give them a common enemy...

  Aguest, I never defended Myelaine's insults. I didn't. I really didn't. I have called her on them plenty of times. I was just pointing out that she is not operating in a vacuum. I think it is mean to put people down for having been JW elders. They have enough to come to terms with, like us, and rubbing salt in isn't nice. I wish you wouldn't do that.

  Did you want to address the challenges I made in regard to your post? Because I don't think I want to hang around if all you want to do is fight. I don't know that this can be salvaged. I'll remember this next time I have a challenge--off limits.
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  elderelite

  Thank you loz that was well worded and i certainly respect that. I dontrhink i have judged anyone, ever, here or in real life. My only point is, was and will contiune to be that representing ones self as sent from god on a board full of former cult members is wrong and dangerous. Add to it the snarky and passive agressive foolishness and i call foul. Has nothig to with being an elder or otherwise.

  I do however find it interesting that after quoting your beloved teachers words you calmed down. Hard when presented with her arguments strait back to you isnt it.... More telling that you still cant own her agression and call her for it.
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  AGuest

  Greetings, dear Benjie... peace to you, and my apologies to you if you find what you've read here a bit confusing. It was confusing to me, too. If it would to clear things up a little as to the purpose of the thread (the original intent), then perhaps you might go back and read from the beginning. You'll find that the topic takes some curious turns and twists, particularly as some take potshots at/attempt to slander me... but they do so in ignorance, truly. I respond to them as I do to try and get them to THINK, though, and not just jump in feet first, with their judgment gavels in hand. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work, but I've tried all the others ways and, in spite of the confusion, it seems to work best.

  Anyway, welcome... and please don't let us rabble rowsers scare you off. There is a lot of good information on this board... for the believer as well as the non-believer... and truly nothing for you to fear. You may feel "nervous" but try and liken it to learning how to skate... at say, 40, after you've spent you entire life being prohibited from even touching skates, let along wearing a pair and trying them out.

  Peace to you!

  A slave of Christ,

  SA
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  tec

  NC, this was about far more than just understanding things a bit differently. Far more. So perhaps you might consider that you hitched you wagon to something when you should probably have just walked. (okay bad metaphor, but I admit that I make some really bad ones, lol)

  Michelle thinks that Aguest follows a demon, that I follow a demon, that I and any who agree with Aguest (though she might be putting me in the same category now, who knows?) are sycophantic. Though in truth, any who agree with Aguest are just listening to the same One. (who, according to Michelle, is a demon) I had to look that word up (sycophantic) because i just skipped over it the first time, then Cofty used it too, and I figured I'd best check it out. One of the most insulting words I have read.

  "A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people."

  So Cofty has ZERO grounds to tell someone that they said something mean.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Lozhasleft

  Aguest, I never defended Myelaine's insults. I didn't. I really didn't. I have called her on them plenty of times. NC

  You didn't call her on them here though NC, you said you disagreed with her beliefs, then called AGuest on what you perceived to be hers. Why? Couldn't you have let the two of them sort their own disagreement and not take a side? Then in comes Cofty and EP, and all within minutes.

  Loz x
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  Benjie

  Thank you Tec and thank you Guest, for your welcomes.

  I'm not quite sure what's going on, and I will take your advice and read in here.

  It is puzzling. Looks like a lot of angry people and some not angry.
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  elderelite

  Im not angry.... Im mad :P Mad like the hatter! Mad to still be posting on this thread mostly.... But welcome just the same ;)