If Jesus was the" Greatest Teacher" the" Son of God" then why ?...........

by smiddy 68 Replies latest jw friends

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  EndofMysteries

  Yes, and the bible supports this......

  Luke 21:24 - and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.

  The nations or gentiles have an appointed time without God interferring to rule the world. So the only evidence and direct interaction with God would be a personal one during this time. A great faith in him, to help you learn, understand, to guide your life, to trust in him, etc. It's very very hard, especially for one raised as a JW when you had been told everything you had to do by a corrupt human who claimed to be the only one with the answers. (until 1970's all of the doctrines were controlled by the current president of the WT).

  Some of my prayers seem to never go answered, but I trust he is guiding me, and years and years later I find that what i was praying for or what I wanted, would have been bad for me. It's hard to do but it has not ever failed me. If he didn't exist and didn't care, the things I had done in faith would have ruined me.

  It grows the more and more you begin to trust him and the more and more you see how it doesn't fail. If you 'think' it's failing or things are not being answered, try to keep a humble attitude about it that perhaps you do not know what will happen if what you ask for was given to you. In addition to living this life, if we allow ourselves to be taught, sometimes things happen to us to teach us and perfect us. If you were judging somebody or a type of person, you may find yourself in their sames shoes and suddenly you see how you were wrong and that experience has refined the person you are.

  And hopefully my example will make sense for why he isn't making himself known in our faces, not only does that make sense, but in the scriptures it says the gentiles/nations rule for AN APPOINTED TIME. It is also a fact that what we are crying and complaining about or the reasons for not believing in God, he did the very things we are asking but the ancient world believed they knew better and wanted human kings.

  So right now humanity is learning it the hard way, we do not know better then God and having human rulers, whether religious or over the land, eventually all become corrupt.
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  xchange

  Tec - Yes, and?

  Someone said the words. If it is Christ who later does what those words attributed to him said he would do... then does it make sense that it might have been some unknown person who first said those words?

  X - Yes absolutely. It is entirely reasonable to entertain this. Show love to your neighbor. I do that. Does that make me Jesus?

  Michale told us that Bob said he was going to visit Sue in a few weeks. Bob does visit Sue in a few weeks.

  Does it make sense to conclude that maybe it was some unknown guy who said he was going to visit Sue, instead? When it is Bob who visited Sue, and not some unknown guy?

  X - Unfortunatley, your constructed analogy is missing elements of mine, namely time (stretches of time). Plus your example is not succinctly describing what I am trying to argue.
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  xchange

  PS - While that is an important point and a good example, it is also important to understand that the gospels and letters were NOT written or passed on in a " vacum ", one of the things that Paul does is stated that there were live witnesses to what he is preaching, witnesses that can be contacted to confirm what the gospel is and what Jesus said IN PERSON.

  Granted, in regards to the copies we have NOW, we have no such gurantees , BUT the NT documents are viewed by the majority of historians as historically reliable in that, what happened was viewed by those that wrote it and passed them on as being historically accurate.

  X - Not to be argumentative, but you make several assertions.

  1. Witnesses that can be contacted? Are they not dead? If so, how can you contact them?

  2. Gospels and letters were NOT passed down in a 'vacuum'? Are you sure about that?

  3. Majority of historians view the bible as historically reliable? That is a pretty major assertion, don't you think?

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  bats in the belfry

  And, YES, Jesus wrote things down:

  John 8:8 - "And once more he bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground."

  Revised Standard Version (RSV)
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  HintOfLime

  Writing is a necessary evil.

  If THIS is what your Christ preaches - I am grateful to have nothing to do with his 'wise teachings'.

  Our ability to read and write - to collect and information and share that information with others is really one of few that really separates us from other animals. If not for writing, you wouldn't even know about your precious Christ. Many religions exist solely due to a 'holy book'.

  Like it or not - our ability to read and write is far greater and far more powerful than any god that ever existed. Without writing, no god - not even Jesus could exist for more than a few generations without significant and constant intentional and un-intentional change.

  - Lime
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  transhuman68

  And, YES, Jesus wrote things down:John 8:8

  LOL, the story of the woman caught in adultery is an interpolation, meaning the verses John 7:53 to John 8:11 were inserted by copyist scribes after the original manuscript was written. They clearly aren't part of the original document. Without those verses there is still no evidence that Jesus was literate, lol.
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  Pterist

  Smiddy ....**** Why did he not put pen to papyrus, all the wise sayings that are attributed to him by others.?*****

  He did and does a lot more than that. He writes on human hearts.

  Shalom
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  tec

  X - Unfortunatley, your constructed analogy is missing elements of mine, namely time (stretches of time). Plus your example is not succinctly describing what I am trying to argue.

  I could change the time to a thousand years, rather than a week, if that helps?

  But my example is not describing what you are trying to argue, because your argument depends on Christ NOT being able to speak now. Your example seems to depend upon Him being dead, and silent.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  sabastious

  Like it or not - our ability to read and write is far greater and far more powerful than any god that ever existed.

  Not true, writing is a petty technology compared to the glory of God. Think about it, one word 6+ definitions. It's not conducive to truth, only agreement. If our society was not held back by words and the arguments that come from them, we'd be better off.

  -Sab
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  HintOfLime

  Not true, writing is a petty technology compared to the glory of God.

  Writing vs the "Glory of god".

  Ooooh.. glory.

  Yay. That is some real-world s*** right there.

  I'll take... .... reading and writing, thank you very much.

  Please prevent any of your offspring from being educated in the subject of reading and writing (much like a JW ha ha) and feel free to burn the 'evil writings' that is your holy book.

  - Lime