by mP 302 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
mp *** There was no temple when the jews were in Babylon for 70 years but they still followed the law****
So now you are sayin "LAW" the issue is the MOSAIC LAW......are we on the same page of what the MOSAIC LAW includes ?
It includes Civil, Cermoninal, and Moral laws.....3 aspects...so they did NOT obey the Mosaic Law !
PT
**Anyway the fact remains even if destroying the temple did somehow cacel Moses law, what is the replacement ? By way of your thinking that means anarchy or no law, *****
In this specific case, no anarchy, there were no Israelites to govern, they were dispersed. Do you think the new landlord Rome should impose the Mosaic Law in Jerusalem ? Of course not, its a rethorical question. ,! Where was the mosaic law enforced after 70 AD ?? There were laws in different lands, but not the civil, cermoninal, and moral laws that made up the Mosaic Law. As Jesus said IT IS FINISHED! He personally fulfilled it.
mP:
Rome didnt care what religioon the locals practices as long as they paid their taxes or cause trouble. Its no different today. Rome didnt care if you wanted to have beards in a certain manner, or practice holy days as long as you didnt challenge their base laws and again paid your taxes. Its always about money and power.
PT:
As Jesus said IT IS FINISHED!
mp:
Again where did he say the law is finished ? Where is the replacement ? The apostles didnt think so when Peter and Paul met years later.
How could Peter get it so wrong ?
PT:
mp ***There was no temple when the jews were in Babylon for 70 years but they still followed the law****
So now you are sayin "LAW" the issue is the MOSAIC LAW......are we on the same page of what the MOSAIC LAW includes ?
It includes Civil, Cermoninal, and Moral laws.....3 aspects...so they did NOT obey the Mosaic Law !
mP:
The bible does not make a distinction, when it uses the term law. Jesus in Mat 5 was talking about the entire law. Your just making stuff up now. Of course if im wrong show me the scripture.
What exactly are does this have to do with Jesus point of view or statements ?
**** The bible does not make a distinction, when it uses the term law. ***
Excuse me, you are the one who has insisted on quoting "NOT one JOT or TITTLE", so are you now changing your defination of the Mosaic Law ? to some specific section of the 3 types ?
You want to love jesus and you cant handle seeing any dirt thrown his way. You wont even listen because it hurts it might be true. - mp
I do not 'want' to love Christ.
I DO love Christ.
If I could not handle seeing dirt thrown his way, then i would run shrieking from this forum. He said that it would happen, to him and to those who follow Him. So we have to expect it. The fact that I have engaged for 15 pages here, and more pages elsewhere, with a poster is throwing ad hominem 'stones' at Christ, at Israel, at the Jews, at Christians, at me... kind of speaks to me being able to handle it.
It does not hurt that your 'spin' might be true. It cannot, because it is not true. I am not worried about that in the least. I am just trying to help you see Christ, so that you can see the truth.
You are resorting to insult. My guess is that you're far more worried than I am about the 'truth' of your conclusions.
Peace,
tammy
mP**** What exactly are does this have to do with Jesus point of view or statements ?****
Do you accept that Jesus fulfilled the cerominal aspects of the Mosaic Laws, e.g. by instituting himself as the Passover lamb with his 12 in a New Contract ?
PT:
***The bible does not make a distinction, when it uses the term law. ***
Excuse me, you are the one who has insisted on quoting "NOT one JOT or TITTLE", so are you now changing your defination of the Mosaic Law ? to some specific section of the 3 types ?
mP: Im sorry your the one making the distinction, and mentioning the three internal categorisations. The BIble doesnt make them. If it does show me. I never changed anything dont put words in my mouth. Ill say it again the law in the Bible means one thing the etnire 613 laws of Moses.
TEC:
I do not 'want' to love Christ.
I DO love Christ.
If I could not handle seeing dirt thrown his way, then i would run shrieking from this forum. He said that it would happen, to him and to those who follow Him. So we have to expect it. The fact that I have engaged for 15 pages here, and more pages elsewhere, with a poster is throwing ad hominem 'stones' at Christ, at Israel, at the Jews, at Christians, at me... kind of speaks to me being able to handle it.
It does not hurt that your 'spin' might be true. It cannot, because it is not true. I am not worried about that in the least. I am just trying to help you see Christ, so that you can see the truth.
You are resorting to insult. My guess is that you're far more worried than I am about the 'truth' of your conclusions.
Peace,
tammy
mP:
If you feel sorry i apologise but i was just stating my observations. We have covered many points you have changed the subject to tell me about Peter and Cornelius but you never find the scriptures that backs your ALL or NEARLY ALL statements.
Why cant you just fine a scripture that backs any of your opinions about Jesus, the law, rape, slavery and so on ? How can jesus get it wrong or be at best a poor communicator ?
mP * ****Im sorry your the one making the distinction, and mentioning the three internal categorisations. The BIble doesnt make them. If it does show me. I never changed anything dont put words in my mouth. Ill say it again the law in the Bible means one thing the etnire 613 laws of Moses.****
So Israel or more accurately Judah (as The 10 tribes were already dispersed by the Assyrian's,) did NOT obey all 613 laws in Babylon, right ?
mP****What exactly are does this have to do with Jesus point of view or statements ?****
PT:
Do you accept that Jesus fulfilled the cerominal aspects of the Mosaic Laws, e.g. by instituting himself as the Passover lamb with his 12 in a New Contract ?
mP:
You cant fulfill the ceremonial aspects, that doesnt make sense. How can a man fulfill a law which requires a passover every spring passover ? Where is the comment in the OT that says if you do this then the ceremonial law is complete and over ?
Eitehr way if you want to categorize i was focusing on the civil aspects of the Torah, slavery, rape , pedophilia, the real important stuff where people suffer.
Even if jesus did replace the ceremonial portion that still leaves the bad torah that allows slavery, doesnt punish rape and doenst mention pedophilia.
How could jesus forget these ?
