TEC Documentary hypothesis

by mP 302 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  mP

  Pterist

  The Mosaic law covenant was a bilateral contract between God and the nation of Israel. The nation of Israel broke the coventant. The proof is in history, the temple was destroyed, along with Jerusalem and the sacrificial cult....no scriptures necessary it's transparent in history . 70AD

  mP:

  We were talking about Jesus and considering he died 40 years before, then the fact remains outstanding he never replaced the law.

  Just because the temple or Jerusalem was destroyed doesnt remove or cancel a law. The WhiteHouse where all laws are signed into effect was burnt by theBritish in 1812, that doesnt mean the entire constitution of the US was cancelled ? Of course not that stupid. The temple & jerusalem were destroyed iwhen the Babylonians came and yet that didnt cancel Moses, so your assumption is wrong. Assuming makes an ass out of you and me, is true once again.

  Bible history itself shows that your statement is wrong. Again without a scripture we cant say that was ever gods thought in th eBible.

  Anyway the fact remains even if destroying the temple did somehow cacel Moses law, what is the replacement ? By way of your thinking that means anarchy or no law, because Jesus never said when the temple is destroyed we no longer have to worry about Moses law.

  In the end by your own admission the law of Moses was cancelled in 70AD because of the temple being destroyed, means Jesus was fine with it and the law continued from 30-70AD. I dont agree with your temple analysis as its irrelevant, i was focusing on Jesus, for me his directions are found in the gospels and thats where i read his thoughts and ideas.

  Paul can say whatever he wishes that is not Jesus words, they are found in the gospels.
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  tec

  Amazing God can punish ad condemn people for not having their beards cut right becaue tahts so important

  Can you show me a scripture where men were punished and condemned by God for not having their beards cut right?

  Christ forgave the adulteress and did not stone her as the law said one was to do. Christ shows the truth about God. That might just be too simple for some to grasp.

  and yet he cant tell them rape is wrong.

  If rape was permissable, then there would not be a punishment for it.

  Whtehre the Jews might or would all follow the law is irrelevant, GOd is supposed to set the standard not pander to the whims of the barstards in the masses.

  Can't teach people what they are unwilling to learn. No matter how many laws one imposes upon them.

  But it was not God who pandered. Do not forget that Moses gave laws due to the hard-heartedness of the people; and that the lying pen of the scribes handled the law falsely.

  So where is the new law, where does Jesus say forget Moses, here are the completely new replacement laws.

  You have missed the point entirely. There is no new law. (other than when Christ gave a new command... that to love one another as he loves us... nothing else is needed, because love does not harm others; love serves, forgives, shows mercy, does not judge, always hopes, it does not steal or lie or condemn)

  Where does the BIble say that ? What in the word does that mean ? This is another example of complete nonsense that amoutns to lots of words that doesnt mean anything and is not found even remotely in the Bible.

  I am glad you asked this. Because it is another perfect example of how you do not know what is written, much less what it might means... because you are not looking at Christ. Ask Him to help you see, if you want to see, mP. You are not seeing on your own. I did not see on my own either.

  The bible 'says' that at Galatians 3:24.

  http://bible.cc/galatians/3-24.htm

  Jesus is only replacing the passover with his supper memorial thing.

  Now that is pretty lame (to use your own words to me).

  One does not state that they are making a new covenant... just to call the passover by a new name. (don't get caught up in the jw memorial either... there is nothing truthful about that)

  Nothing else is mentioned here or anywhere. Where is Jesus new law about pedophilia, rape or slavery ? What about equality for women, can they be priests or what ?

  I have answered all of these questions. If you want to see, if you want to understand, then go to the one who can 'open your eyes and your heart' so that you might see HIM.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Pterist

  *** Just because the temple or Jerusalem was destroyed doesnt remove or cancel a law***

  When a contract is broken, there are consequences and liabilities, just like your mortgage, same here. 70 AD is proof as Israel suffers the consequences specified in the contract. The Mosiac Law was ended, history has proven it.
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  Pterist

  **** In the end by your own admission the law of Moses was cancelled in 70AD because of the temple being destroyed, means Jesus was fine with it and the law continued from 30-70A*****

  The temple being destroyed was proof, not the CAUSE, the cause was the failure of the nation of Israel. However, Jesus was able to fulfill the Mosaic contract and subsequently received all the blessings for a NEW CREATION, were " Jew and Greek " would be ONE.
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  Pterist

  Matthew 23

  37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’ [c] ”
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  Pterist

  *** The WhiteHouse where all laws are signed into effect was burnt by theBritish in 1812, that doesnt mean the entire constitution of the US was cancelled ? ****

  I don't agree with your analogy, American people remained in the land to be governed. Jerusalem was leveled to a pulp, and the Israelites were exiled throughout the world. There was no central authority for Mosaic law for the NATION. The mosaic law was ended, and there will be no official temple sacrificial cults setup in the future either in Jerusalem, like was promised after the 70 years punishment under Babylon.
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  Pterist

  So ends the central shrine of Judaism. In the words of Josephus, 'neither its long history, nor its vast wealth, nor its people dispersed through the whole world, nor the unparalleled renown of its worship could avert its ruin'. The destruction of the Temple is another turning point in Jewish history (see theTemple in Jerusalem)

  http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?groupid=406&HistoryID=aa42>rack=pthc
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  Pterist

  *** Anyway the fact remains even if destroying the temple did somehow cacel Moses law, what is the replacement ? By way of your thinking that means anarchy or no law, *****

  In this specific case, no anarchy, there were no Israelites to govern, they were dispersed. Do you think the new landlord Rome should impose the Mosaic Law in Jerusalem ? Of course not, its a rethorical question. ,! Where was the mosaic law enforced after 70 AD ?? There were laws in different lands, but not the civil, cermoninal, and moral laws that made up the Mosaic Law. As Jesus said IT IS FINISHED! He personally fulfilled it.
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  mP

  TEC:

  Amazing God can punish ad condemn people for not having their beards cut right becaue tahts so important

  Can you show me a scripture where men were punished and condemned by God for not having their beards cut right?

  mP:

  Imp retty sure you know that there are multiple laws about this in the Bible. I cant give you a scripture of someone getting killed but i will give hte link for others who might be interested.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot

  1. Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head — Lev. 19:27
  2. Men must not shave their beards with a razor — Lev. 19:27

  Again funny God can mention laws for this but cant figure out rape laws might be good. Talk about priorities. Imagine your government didnt ban rape but had laws about sideburns and beards, there would be outraged and they would be labelled terrible things, and rightly so.
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  mP

  TEC:

  The bible 'says' that at Galatians 3:24.

  http://bible.cc/galatians/3-24.htm

  MP: Jesus is only replacing the passover with his supper memorial thing.

  Now that is pretty lame (to use your own words to me).

  MP: YOu failed to quote the entire text where i state that jesus does not give a replacement for the laws of moses. I dont see how replacing one holy day with another somehow replaces or solve sthe real laws that run the country.