TEC Documentary hypothesis

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  • tec
    tec

    No worries. I sleep and eat, too. Tonight, I will paint.

    I would love to paint. A picture speak a thousand words, and sometimes the feeling inspired is just all at once. But I am left to use the thousand words, lol.

    not validated by any outside force (including the bible)

    I cannot recall something that has been given me that is not also supported by something outside of me... such as the bible, or another source, or even science (fledgling though it might be - pseudoscience for Cofty)

    One protest I have is when that inner message is broadcast as a broader message to all of humanity. As far as I know, tec has only done this once.

    Can you refresh my memory which post that was? Just trying to get a feel for what you are protesting.

    My only other protest is when this inner voice is presented as incontrovertible evidence. It is not.

    I am not disagreeing with you. I have learned for myself that I can trust His voice... but even I tend to look for support to something heard. Sometimes to be able to accept something heard, and sometimes I accept, and later stumble across something that shows support.

    Certainly others should test anything shared to them from anyone, as well. Regardless of who is claimed to be the source.

    Well, we're back to that curtain. Tec, you stand in front of the curtain with your special knowledge, which you share with some people. Within a group of similarly minded people, you have an invisible, unverifiable affinity and validation. All are welcome to pull back the curtain and if what they find is similar to the mind of Christ as you have come to know it, you will accept it.
    If they find something contrary to the mind of Christ, you will reject it.
    How am I doing so far?

    I'm not sure. Something does not sit right with me in your words. I am not sure what it is. I think it is the idea that I accept or reject what someone else shares; that it is even up to me to tell someone else their business. My business it to keep my eye on myself, and to do what I am asked to do. If what i am given is in conflict what someone else shares, then i may offer what i am given, and then it is not up to me what comes from that. Nor is it up to another, what comes from their having shared something with me.

    Sometimes I just set something aside that someone shares if I cannot accept it just yet. Perhaps I am the one who needs more understanding. We can be at various points on our path. We are all learning.

    I gave you an example and hoped that would make my point in the sort of thing I would reject.

    tec, are the following statements from the bible, consistent with the mind of Christ?

    All of them, yes.

    The problem in those verses, and many others that seem to contradict love, is that we look at them through our personal biases, rather than remembering that Christ spoke in Truth, and also in love. So sometime we project what we personally think such words mean... rather than comparing those verses to all he taught AND to the truth that we ourselves can see, even in the examples from our own lives.

    Such as the WTS... enemies are members of their houses; mothers turned against daughters; fathers against sons; etc. Because some are living and listening to the wts (a lie, and against Christ), and others are living and listening to the truth. (or at the very least, they are no longer listening to the lie) It is the members who listen to the wts who are the enemies of those who do not listen. Because they are the ones kicking the others out of the "synogogues", shunning them, showing no love, maligning, demonizing, and cutting them off. Those ones are loving their mother/father (the wts) more than Christ, because they are following the wts OVER Christ. Some love their literal mothers and fathers more than Christ as well, and so follow their literal mothers and fathers in doing the above shunning, maligning, hating, etc, even knowing that they are wronging others. Some love themselves more than Christ, and so do not take a stand and speak against the lie even when they see wrong being done to others (such as the above shunning, etc), so as to avoid that 'cross' themselves.

    If you had a kingdom to bestow upon someone, to whom of the above would you entrust it to?

    Peace to you,

    tammy

  • cofty
    cofty
    I cannot recall something that has been given me that is not also supported by something outside of me...

    But we know that isn't in fact true don't we Tammy?

    I have no desire to wade through the list of bizarre assertions you have made but none of them can be objectively verified.

  • tec
    tec

    No, Cofty, WE do not know any such thing. Also, I said supported... not objectively verified (by which i assume you mean proven). If I do it so often though, then it should be easy enough for you to find at least one claim that had no support from outside of me.

    Peace to you,

    tammy

  • cofty
    cofty

    Bad news - no resurrection for people who had been cremated

    Good news - something about baby teeth

    Something about Adam and Eve and spirit and skins = flesh

    Something else about dragons

    As you can see I don't take the time to try to grasp the details, but I suppose the question is why should anybody pay heed when its all just unverified assertions?

  • soontobe
    soontobe

    Genesis is quite obviously a compilation of more than one text. There are doubtless redactions as well. Furthermore, as we see here, the early sections are not in agreement. This was as obvious thousands of years ago when they were compiled by scribes as it is today. It is also a strong argument against the literal interpretation favored by fundamentalists.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    Probably because the GOM was not written directly by Matthew ( the Tax collector) but probably by one of his aides/followers.

    First, there is no basis for assigning the value of "probably".

    One theory goes that while Matt wrote the orginal in Aramaic (or hebrew)

    Secondly, I recall reading about some wordplay jokes used in the gospels that only make sense if they were originally written in greek, in hebrew or aramaic they would make no sense.

    What gets in the way for most people in hearing this, imo, is that they are looking at the modern depiction of dragon... rather than the original depiction, which is also man's best attempt to describe a spirit creature - seraph/fiery winged creature/burning ones - think the burning bush - because that was a spirit being/angel/seraph.

    Third, there is nothing that supports thois being the "original" depiction other than yours and others inner voice saying so.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    There’s a lady in town who paints her spirit-dreams. It is never too late to pick it up, tec. I started when my children were teenagers and I needed to re-assert my identity.

    Evidence for God thread
    Something [you] heard from our Lord (Inner message broadcast to all humanity)

    I cannot recall something that has been given me that is not also supported by something outside of me... such as the bible… - tec

    I am sure you have stated that you do not believe that the bible is inerrant, and that your testimony and your guide is the spirit of Christ. So you pick and chose which verses match your inner testimony. This is internal and cannot be validated by others.

    I have noted a tendency for you to avoid any words or thoughts that have a negative connotation, like “reject”. These hard, dark words I am sure, don’t match the inner ideal you strive for. Yet, you have quite confidently rejected certain scriptures or interpretations as not from Christ.

    I see that you give the apologist’s explanation of the selected words of Christ. Even though he used hard, dark words, you have reconciled that there is no conflict. I’ll give another example.

    In the Temple area he saw merchants selling cattle, sheep, and doves for sacrifices; he also saw dealers at tables exchanging foreign money. Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers’ coins over the floor, and turned over their tables. Then, going over to the people who sold doves, he told them, “Get these things out of here. Stop turning my Father’s house into a marketplace!” John 2:14-16 NLT

  • cofty
    cofty

    I can't remember specifically but isn't there a repeating motif in the early chapters of Genesis that indicates the compilation of accounts?

    Doesn't it say something like, "this is the book of ..."?

  • Dismissing servant
    Dismissing servant

    Thank you so much Tec...you have just shown to us the futility in belief! You really did it with excellence! It is really good to have you herat this site. :-)

  • tec
    tec

    Pay heed or don't pay heed, as you choose. Better yet, if you choose, then just look to Christ.

    The cremation understanding was not given to me, Cofty. Only the hope for those who have been cremated to also be resurrected.

    Even so, in all of the above, there are things (in the bible or outside of it) that support what was given to understand. Perhaps if you paid attention to the details, then you might see that.

    But again, that is entirely your choice, and I do not attempt to judge you for your choice, either way.

    peace,

    tammy

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