116 Men in Black, Scissors Paper Rock

by designs 63 Replies latest social current

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  still thinking

  A couple of years later, he ran off with a nun and got married. TRUE STORY!

  LOL...I have a very similar story. When we went on retreat (I think I was around 13 years old), the two that were taking most of the group stuff with us (trainee monk) and (trainee nun)...did the same thing. You could see the attraction between them at the time. Some people are just meant to be together aren't they? And they were both far too nice to be shackled to a religion. We were all overjoyed when we found out they had both left. LOL thats what catholic schooling does to ya!

  The monks at that place were just odd...
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  still thinking

  There's good people who are priests and nuns,,, many, many, I am sure! That doesn't erase all the harm done by the bad ones, though...tal

  That's right! Just as there are good people who are JW's. That doesn't make the WTS a good thing or erase the harm done by them.

  what's that old saying...

  Good people do good things...bad people do bad things...but it takes religion to make good people do bad things.
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  talesin

  Buying bricks or getting guilt tripped by the Wt. Org to build an Assembly Hall it all still gives me shudders.

  I hear ya, Designs! Just thinking of entering a KH gives me the willies. ugh

  Still, so true. Maybe they were escaping .... together. :))

  tal
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  still thinking

  This was the 50s and pre Vatican II so they wore the familar black/white or brown/white habits...designs.

  In the early 70's they were still wearing them at my school...I think it was around 1975 or 76 that they started to show a little hair at the front of their habit...LOL...how risqué!

  This is very similar to what they were wearing when I started school...

  and this is how they looked around 1975

  

  Notice the EXPOSED HAIR!!! we were shocked and stunned. The nuns really had hair...we alsways thought they were bald...LOL
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  talesin

  It just struck me ... the nun's habit bears an amazing resemblance to the chador.

  
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  still thinking

  I hear ya, Designs ! Just thinking of entering a KH gives me the willies. ugh

  Same here, whenever I drive past there I get creeped out. It reminds me of a prison where people willingly hold themselves captive.

  They can drive away...but they keep going back.

  Don't they train elephants like that? They chain them while they are young...so when they get older, even though they are no longer physically chained, they don't even try to escape. They have learnt that that is life for them. Freedom is a concept they don't even understand.

  The catholic church is similar with its indoctrination of children. Get them young...mess up their heads and leave them vulnerable to every other stupid religious cult out there. Once you have been taught that there is an invisible god in the sky and that you should listen to your elders because they KNOW what they are talking about and they are the voice of authority. It takes a long time to unlearn that.
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  talesin

  Ayup!

  We (as a species) are the only one I know of that tortures and abuses its young as well as ALL other species. sad, very sad ... I always feel sad for the elephants and marine animals that are imprisoned. :(

  Well, for all the prisoners ... human or other-specied.

  xo
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  still thinking

  It just struck me ... the nun's habit bears an amazing resemblance to the chador.

  Yeah...it's all about keeping women subservient and hiding their femaleness. Brown, black or blue were the main colours. Unlike the bishops who wear extravagant regal looking outfits with gold medallions (crosses) and chains. The nuns take a vow of poverty. And they live it. They own nothing. Not even the clothes on their backs. Whilst the pope is getting fitted out with hand made garments and special shoes. And the bishops are kitted out with bling and big hats and frilly dresses.

  Although....some of the nuns I have heard of recently use some very expensive natural face creams and things. So I guess they have a budget for that sort of thing now. A friend of mine does gardening for a nunnery here in NZ...and she commented on how lovely this elderly nuns skin was and asked her what she used. She said Dr.Hauschka Skin care...now that stuff aint cheap.
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  talesin

  Yes, it's interesting. I was thinking of the whole "Bride of Christ" thing, and it's a bit creepy. I watched a show on Oprah a few years back, and she visited a convent near Detroit, I believe. This particular order didn't have much contact with the 'outside' world, and led a very strict way of life. The show followed the path of one initiate. What I got from it, though, was that she was more interested in not having to deal with modern life, and looking forward to a life 'in retreat'. meh
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  still thinking

  We have an order called the Carmelite nuns in Auckland. They live in a monestary not far from me...that one on Oprah sounds like a Carmelite.

  In the 16th century, in the midst of the turmoil of the Reformation, St. Teresa of Jesus, a Spanish Carmelite drawn by God to a deeper prayer-life, was eventually led by Him to give fresh life and vigour to the contemplative ideal of the Order. Establishing small communities in towns and cities, she created a desert environment for her nuns through a strict form of enclosure, thus providing an atmosphere in which a life of intense prayer could be lived by the whole community.
  
  In a providential encounter with the young friar, St. John of the Cross, Teresa found her closest collaborator. Together they laid the foundations of the Discalced Carmelite Order. Under the protection and in imitation of Our Lady, Carmelites observe the evangelical counsels of chastity, poverty and obedience in a simple lifestyle supported by silence and solitude, detachment and humility, manual work, sisterly love and service.

  http://www.carmelites.org.nz/aboutus/