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The perplexing conundrum 607 b.c.e condensed down to ONE SIMPLE FACT
by Brother of the Hawk 83 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Pterist
Lars *** Israel = 390 years; Judah = 40 ****
Hi Lars, Ezekiel was NOT referring to land paying off sabbaths, but rather, the penalty for idolatry Ezekiel 4:4-6, for the 10 northern tribes and the 2 southern tribes. Those dates are a different issue, and have many interpretations.
Lars, most of us on JWN are here to help those who are caught in the Watchtower cult and we hope some will be convinced when we show how erroneous it is to set dates on Christ's return or the end of the gentile times when ALL dating is ultimately based on secular information. You however, are not here with this motivation. You are here to prove that you are the second coming and puts you in the same self appointed seat as the GB. Regardless of what dates are correct with repect to the land paying off its sabbaths, the duration of the exile, and the dating of the destruction of Jerusalem it is not needed or SHOULD NOT be used to set dates for Christ's return.
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Newly Enlightened
Sorry everyone for my melt down. It's been a really bad month.
Anyway, getting back to our topic. What was our topic again? In the book 'Gentile times reconsidered by Jonsson....
H e has some very good points in there regarding the Gentile times that we would like to share with you. First thing; don’t take anyone’s word for anything. Check it out yourself. Do the research if you are able.
We don’t want to argue dates & chronology with anyone because we respect that everyone has different beliefs and dates in mind. But just think about these few points and reason on them.
After the temple was destroyed and the Jews were exiled to Babylon, it could not have been the start of the Gentile Times [trampling of the Nations] because after they were released they were able to go back to Jerusalem, rebuild the temple and RESTORE true worship. So if you fast forward to the first century, by the time Jesus came to the earth, the Jew’s had apostatized themselves from God once again and Jesus condemned them for polluting true worship.
Not many JW’s know this but when the Roman’s came to destroy Jerusalem in 70 c.e, the Pharisees & Sadducees had taken that religion and fled to Rome. They started their own religion and that became the Roman Catholic Church. But when the temple was destroyed in 70 c.e that was the beginning of the Gentile Times, or trampling of the nations.
Even though the Jews were restored to Israel in 1948 by a United Nations mandate, they were not in control of Jerusalem and had to fight for what they have. It wasn’t until 1967, when they were allowed back into Jerusalem. To this very day the Temple Mount area is still under control of the Arabs and the Jews have not been allowed to rebuild the temple. That is why you see them praying at the small section of the old wall. This also happens to be the only piece of the original temple left.
So you can see that the ‘trampling of the nations’ is still going on to this day and will continue down to Armageddon since it is God that will destroy the governments that are in existence.
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The Quiet One
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