Thanks for the recording and transcripts. I'll go vomit now.
Symposium: Beware of Apostates! - 'God's Word is Truth!' District Convention of Jehovah's Witnesses 2013 - not on JW.ORG
by mindnumbed 121 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Maralee
I would appreciate the whole convention also! thank you, Maralee
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DATA-DOG
" Apostates claim to serve God, but reject his representatives. They lie to authorities. Through the media they seek to discredit Jehovah's people and incite bans on our work. For instance, in one country a news report instigated by apostates falsely stated that Jehovah's witnesses supported Hitler's regime during world war two. In other countries apostate used the media to accuse Jehovah's witnesses of refusing to give medical treatment to their children and of deliberately condoning serious sins committed by fellow believers. So a third characteristic that identifies human apostates is that they reject and try to discredit Jehovah's representatives here on earth. "
Well done, WTBT$. You started with a vague reference to an actual letter that Rutherford wrote. Something that would sound totally outrageous and ludicrous to the rank anf file. Especially since none have access to Rutherfords letter to the German government.
jwfacts.com gives a portion of the letter in English:
"Dear Reichskanzler,
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The Brooklyn headquarter of the Watchtower Society is pro German in an exemplary way and has been so for many years. For that reason, in 1918, the president of the Society and seven members of the board of directors were sentenced to 80 years in prison, because the president refused to use two of the magazines published in America under his direction for war propaganda against Germany. These two magazines, "The Watchtower" and "Bible Student" were the only magazines in America which refused to engage in anti-German propaganda and for that reason were prohibited and suppressed in America during the war.
In the very same manner, in course of the recent months the board of directors of our Society not only refused to engage in propaganda against Germany, but has even taken a position against it. The enclosed declaration underlines this fact and emphasizes that the people leading in such propaganda (Jewish businessmen and Catholics) also are the most rigorous persecutors of the work of our Society and its board of directors. This and other statements of the declaration are meant to repudiate the slanderous accusation, that Bible Researchers are supported by the Jews.
The conference of five thousand delegates also noted - as is expressed in the declaration - that the Bible Researchers of Germany are fighting for the very same high ethical goals and ideals which also the national government of the German Reich proclaimed respecting the relationship of humans to God, namely: honesty of the created being towards its creator.
The conference came to the conclusion that there are no contradictions when it comes to the relationship between the Bible Researchers of Germany to the national government of the German Reich. To the contrary, referring to the purely religious and unpolitical goals and efforts of the Bible Researchers, it can be said that these are in full agreement with the identical goals of the national government of the German Reich.
We are looking forward to your kind approval, which we hope to receive soon, and want to assure our highest respect to you, honorable Mr. Reichskanzler.
Yours faithfully,
Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Magdeburg"And a portion of the declatation:
"It is falsely charged by our enemies that we have received financial support for our work from the Jews. Nothing is farther from the truth. Up to this hour there never has been the slightest bit of money contributed to our work by Jews. We are the faithful followers of Christ Jesus and believe upon Him as the Savior of the world, whereas the Jews entirely reject Jesus Christ and emphatically deny that he is the Savior of the world sent of God for man's good. This of itself should be sufficient proof to show that we receive no support from Jews and that therefore the charges against us are maliciously false and could proceed only from Satan, our great enemy. The greatest and the most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire. By that is meant the British Empire, of which the United States of America forms a part. It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact particularly applies to the cities of London and New York, the stronghold of Big Business. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says: The Jews own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills.
The present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nations. Such is exactly our position.
Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart.
A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness.
Let us remind the government and the people of Germany, that it was the League of Nations compact that laid upon the shoulders of the German people the great unjust and unbearable burdens. That the League of Nations compact was not brought forth by the friends of Germany."Yearbook 1934 pp.134-138 (English Edition)Next is " medical treatment " aka blood transfusions. That is denied children, and many died. What about condoning serious wrongs? When the child molestation news hits the news stands, this DC talk will have taken the sting out of those stories. The WTBTS mentioned, without really going into detail, all the things that they really do. " Hey, listen. Apostates are probably gonna say A,B, and C. Just be ready for it and don't believe them." Also, anyone who brings up any legitimate complaints in these areas will immediately fall under suspicion of feeding at Satan's table. It already happens, but I think it will intensify.
The good news is that they say, " Apostates do not drift away from the truth. " So FADE, FADE, FADE!!!!!! You won't be an apostate!
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Crazyguy
I usually work on Fridays but go Saturday and Sunday with my family. I just came home from my one day 'protect your conscience or some thing to that' hard not to vomit. I'll definitely miss Friday and Saturday this year, if i was to go Saturday i would probably truly get pissed and say a few things. Let also not forget a apostate is some one who denies Jesus as the messiah not that some Org is all that and a bag of chips, their so into themselves. Can anyone think Matt chapter 23
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Julia Orwell
When hearing that sort of cultish rhetoric I always felt embarrassed for non Jw stadium workers. What did they think of it all? I wondered how this wouldn't put them off JWs. Most people find JWs annoying anyway.
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
Billy I would love a T-Shirt made of your Symposium plus another one saying "2014, 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF CHRIST COMING INTO POWER!", something that's not obvious to the simpleton elders.
If I had a T-Shirt printed with the 2014 Logo, some elder would stop me when I see him and say "Hey, what's up with your shirt?" and I would say "I am happy we are closer to Jesus Christ Kingdom, the Generation has hit 100 years old and we must share this impending doom with the World!"
You think I would get grief with a shirt of your symposium or a Anniversary of 100 years of Christ Ruling Mankind?
"Well, you certainly can't expect to see this:
Symposium: Beware of False Prophets!
Also of interest ....
The Truth--You Can't Rely on It to Still be "The Truth" Tomorrow" Billy the Ex-bethelite
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
What the speak said about enablers is not correct in the world of psychology or modern thinking. Most enablers know they are contributing to the actions of the drug addict, drinker or compuslive gambler and they are afraid or fearful of the consequences of disagreeing with their highly controlling and manipulative partner.
Many JWs are enablers or co-dependants with the Watchtower Organization, they know many of the sayings of the Org are not Biblical, Christian or Humane yet they fear retribution by remaining silent to a horrible judical committee action taken, speak up when something they hear from the platform is anti-Christ and freeze up when their COs or DOs speak insane conscience and spiritual binding words leaving them in shackles.
Read the facts about what a enabler is "http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/heartache-hope/201207/are-we-addicted-being-enabler
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Niveau
Trancript for the talk about Satan. (I cut out the umm's and some of the repetition, but otherwise this is pretty much exact.)
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Can you believe that food poisoning causes one in six Americans to get sick each year, ending with thousands being hospitalized, thousands even dying? To put that in perspective, yesterday here for our attendance we had 7,700 in attendance. That would mean after we eat dinner tonight nearly 1,300 of us would be sick with anything from nausea, vomiting, diarrhea or even worse. So where will you eat tonight? I imagine you or your family will choose very carefully, won't you?
But what about this question: do you think you or your family could be victims of spiritual food poisoning? As bad as it is to be physically poisoned by your food, listening to apostate reasoning can cause spiritual sickness and death.
What is the definition of an apostate? An apostate is someone who abandons true worship, but not only that, they then rebel against true worship in two ways: by speaking against former fellow believers, and two, trying to draw others away from true worship. In this symposium, entitled "Beware of Apostates" we're going to examine two sources of apostate reasoning and thinking. In this talk, Satan the Devil. In the talk to follow, human apostates. We will consider the tricks they use and how we can keep ourselves spiritually healthy.
So let's get started and talk about the first source of poisoned thinking, Satan. So please open your Bibles with me to John 8:44, and as we read, see if Satan fits the definition of an apostate. And here at John 8:44 Jesus is talking to some self-righteous Jewish religious leaders. What does he tell these men? At John 8: 44, Jesus says to them: "YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]."
So does Satan fit the definition of an apostate? Jesus said that Satan rebelled - he did not stand fast in the truth. Jesus said that Satan is a liar. The label "devil" means "slanderer" as he accuses Jehovah’s people. Jesus also said that these religious leaders, they fed on Satan's thoughts. They became what they ate. Satan then turned these religious leaders from serving God to serving his own interests. Does Satan fit the definition of an apostate? Satan is the primary and most dangerous apostate. If you knew that a kitchen worker was infected with a highly contagious disease, would you eat that plate of food he just set in front of you? No. You'd push away that plate of poisoned food. So, too, why would we eat any of the food that Satan sets in front of us? Satan is sick. Any food that he prepares is infected. The Bible puts it, at 1 Timothy 6:4, it says, those who partake of Satan's thoughts become mentally diseased, corrupted in mind. We are what we eat.
So why would anyone want to partake of anything Satan puts in front of us? But brothers and sister, many have, included perfect spirit angels. What was the effect on these angels? They became what they ate. Satan corrupted their minds, didn't he? They became disobedient and sided with him. As Ephesians 6:12 says, these demons along with Satan, they banded together as world rulers of this darkness. And this group has one mission: to poison spiritual food.
Therefore, brothers, how can we stay spiritually healthy and resist the ploys of the ruler of the world? We're now going to examine two tactics that Satan uses against God's people to draw Jehovah's people away from serving him. Two tactics. First tactic: Satan uses blatant outward attacks. So what comes to your mind when you think of the following places: Nazi Germany, Quebec Canada under Maurice Duplessis, or the targeted attacks of Jehovah's Witnesses in Malawi? Yes, at times, Satan tries to shove his poison down the throats of Jehovah's people, doesn't he? How does he do it? He uses brutal persecution, imprisonment and bans to try and draw Jehovah's people away from true worship. And since Satan's the ruler of this world he's set up a system that's so fragile, isn't it, it could happen here in an instant, couldn't it? And if it does, will we recognize these ploys as blatant outward attacks as ploys of the primary apostate?
Tactic number two: Satan uses attacks that are subtle. We're going to highlight three subtle attacks that Satan uses to try and slip poison into Jehovah's healthy teachings. Open your Bibles with me to Genesis 3:1-5. Here in Genesis we're going to read Satan's conversation with Eve. And see if you can pick out some of the ways that this devious little snake tried to poison - subtly poison - Eve's mind. It says: "Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.”
First subtle attack, brought out in verses four and five: Satan insinuates that Jehovah does not love us. How did he do this? In verse four and five he said: "You positively will not die. Since God is depriving you of something, since he is hindering your well-being, therefore he must not, he could not, love you, or else he would have told you." Brothers and sisters, was Satan truthful in his claim that Eve was being deprived? What was the truth? The truth, if Eve obeyed God, what would she have been deprived of? If she obeyed God, she would've only been deprived of old age, sickness, wrinkled skin, missing teeth, and death. Eve became what she ate. Have you ever felt that Jehovah doesn't love you? In times of sadness, in times or hardship, have you ever felt that you must not, that you could not, be deserving of Jehovah's love? If those thoughts ever surface in us, stop. Push away that plate of poisoned thinking. If you have ever felt deprived of happiness, who is to blame? Is it Jehovah? Remember, Jehovah loves you, and he loves the obedience you show.
Second subtle attack of Satan is highlighted in Numbers 15:39, please turn there with me. To set this up, this is where we find God's law to Israel about what they wear. They were to put a fringe on their garments, and also a blue thread. What did this mean? What was it supposed to remind them of? "And it must serve as a fringed edge for YOU, and YOU must see it and remember all the commandments of Jehovah and do them, and YOU must not go about following YOUR hearts and YOUR eyes, which YOU are following in immoral intercourse." Second subtle attack? The Devil incites people to follow their own heart and their own eyes. Isn't that true today? Satan has geared this entire world to appeal to our heart and eyes, our entire fleshly inclination. And as was brought up here in Numbers, one area where we could follow our hearts and our eyes in in what we wear. So what do you see those at school wearing? Those at work, those on television? Are they dressing more provocatively, overly trendy? Is it affecting you? Might you be tempted to follow your own heart and your own eyes and be seduced by what you see? Might you be tempted to lower Jehovah's standards and dress in a similar manner? If so, brothers and sisters, stop. Push away that plate of poisoned thinking. Remember: Jehovah wanted his people to look physically different than Satan's world around them. Does he expect any less of us today?
Let's move on to the third attack. Third attack of Satan: he tries to capitalize on natural feelings of pride, enticing people to assume that they know better than God. Think back to the conversation between Satan and Eve in Genesis. Didn't Satan try to endeavor to make Eve feel important, as if she were the spokesman for herself and her husband? And what happened? Eve did it. Eve bit on what Satan was offering. And what did she say of the fruit of the trees of the garden? "WE may eat." You know, as humans, we need self-worth. But how do we cultivate self-worth without it turning into self-importance, or pride? We need to remember that we are special, but only because of Jehovah. He turned us into something special. Eve forgot that. She became what she ate. When we begin to think, brothers and sisters, that we know better than God, we know better than his organization, when we begin to resist council, stop. Push away that plate of poisoned thinking.
Brothers and sister, poisoning can lead to sickness and death. Listening to apostates can lead to spiritual sickness and death. We are what we eat. Push away that plate. Brothers and sisters, please, beware of the first apostate: Satan .
ETA: cleaned up format a little
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Scott77
The mention of apostates in this instance means our power is growing. We are having an effect on the Watchtower. We are not a negligible force.
Scott77
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ÁrbolesdeArabia
The Truth Brings Sword", that could be a title of a Islamic or Muslim book on the Koran.
"The Sword and the Prophet" is a book about how Islam used the Sword of Allah to force Infidels into the Muslim Truth!