The TOPIC which may never be discussed!

by Terry 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Cold Steel
    Cold Steel

    This is incredible news, and it makes me sick to think how they're ignoring this problem. Our seniors have done so much for us, now we're to abandon them because the JWs believe Armageddon is right around the corner. It is, but it isn't. World events are quickly taking us to the last great battle of our time, but Gog, the Beast, Antichrist, whatever you want to call him, has not manifested himself. The temple has not been built by the Jews (Rev. 11), the tribulation has not even begun, nor have the two prophets been called who will use God's power to stay the enemy's hand. Many things need to take place before the return of the Savior/Jehovah (see Zechariah 12-14, Ezekiel 37-38).

    And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

    And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

    These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    The Jehovah's Witness exegesis experts, not liking things like the above, simply ignore it! A child could explain this prophecy because it tells us who, what, why and where. Just not when. And what's really ironic is that this is the great battle of Armageddon that the JWs claim to be waiting for. Jesus wasn't crucified in New York, London, Rome, Athens or Paducah! He was crucified in Jerusalem.

    Back in the early 70s, I recall the JWs were expecting Armageddon to happen at any moment. There may be a bit of perverse justice in that many of the JWs at the time weren't lifting a finger for their futures or their childrens' futures. Now they're the seniors who have few, if anyone at all, to care for them. And even if their kids wanted to, they're too busy flipping burgers at McDonald's because their parents and grandparents didn't provide for their educations. What goes around comes around. Ask any Witness today to explain Armageddon and none of them has a clue. I have an entire Watchtower entitled ARMAGEDDON!! on the cover, and I didn't know any more about it after I read it than before. Yahweh gave us prophecies so we would know the times and the seasons, and when his coming was nigh. But the folks making the horrendous decisions about the future will soon enough find themselves senior citizens with no one to take care of them.

    And who will they blame?

  • Refriedtruth
  • Refriedtruth
    Refriedtruth

    Was born 3rd gen Jehovah's Witness in 1957 watched ALL MY JW CLAN come and go never thinking they would die of old age in this system.I am now working long and hard $$ just to keep my original teeth in my mouth.Teeth that were never cared for the way they should have been,I was age 17 in 1975 was supposed to get 'delivered in to paradise' then.

    I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE OUT THERE

  • Terry
    Terry

    Medical and Dental neglect is a pervasive story among the JW's due to the "any minuted now" attitude from the late 1800's up to today.

    Procrastinate on everything but door-to-door work and you are as good as gold.

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    We all know the WTBTS doesn't care about it's elderly no matter how faithful they are to the religion. Classic example is the recent situation with my JW family. Contacted my mother via my aunt after 8 years of disfellowshiping asking for donations from my mother to help out with my aging grandmother. I thought it ridiculous that now it was quite alright to talk with my mother - when they needed finances.

    If you have not made plans for your old age, don't expect your brothers & sisters to help you out or the WTBTS.

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    I'm ambivilant towards providing old CO's & DO's with care in their old age after they were the ones spouting the lies that we took to our hearts as the 'Truth'.

    They even told us "The 'society' thought it was possible the the big A would come BEFORE 1975" & "Why have operations & dental work done when the 'New World' was right there in front of us. Why go for further ed when the 'New World' will provide an education far superior to any 'worldy' education"

    Yes it's a shame they have nothing but that was their choice & they must live with their choices just as the rest of us have to.

    The Watchtower is a user of lives & when you are spent don't expect any gratitude from it.

  • tim hooper
    tim hooper

    There are a number of care homes for elderly JW's residing in the UK.

    www.jah-jireh.org

    The PDF files at the site have details re costs.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    Question: How does the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses instruct its members to prepare for the eventual Elder Care of its members?

    Answer: IT PRETENDS it will never happen! but it also tells them that when they die, their estate should go to the WTB&TS.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    DOC the society would have known after 1975 that they needed to prepare for their ageing followers. If they took the time to build new Assembly Halls they could have built assisted living communities on the same property and linked the Assembly Hall profits to the retirement facillities if needed. Especially in the case where you had JW's who had devoted their lives to unpaid service and failed to get enough retirement money or home equity.

    Instead of doing the decent thing they bought buildings in Brooklyn. The funny thing is that there is money to be made in assisted living facilities. Many call for the purchase of the units as well as a monthly fee. It works like a bet. You buy a Condo for $125,000 to $300,000 depending on the size and then you pay a fixed rate for the rest of your life. You pay more each month when you need assisted living.

    If you want out within the first two years you get your money back less 10% a year. After that no refunds.

    The corporation bet's that you stay for a couple of years then kick the bucket. The Corporation keeps your buy in and resells the unit.

    You bet you'll live well into your ninties at a fixed rate and screw the corporation. Either way the business side is very profitable.

    If the Mormons have figured this out, and the Lutherens what the hell is the matter with the Society? Oh that's right they are a 19th century religion and back in the day families took care of their own.

  • Terry
    Terry

    At the very same time Watchtower leaders were urging us to go full throttle warning the world of 1975 the Society

    was buying up real estate! What kind of sense does that make unless they positively knew in advance the 1975

    message was fraudulent?

    In effect, the rank and file were told to jump into the ocean and swim out as far as their strength could carry them and

    a miraculous rescue ship would appear!

    When no such ship arrived the leaders insisted nobody should have listened to them in the first place!

    Swimming was demanded but drowning was optional.

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