by barry 110 Replies latest jw friends
barry:
I was writing in the context of asylum seekers boarding a boat from Indonesia where they fly into Indonesia because to fly there a passport is required to board a plane.
I haven't seen any compelling evidence that that is a widespread course of action.
Hmmm... Today Tonight... a paragon of quality Australian journalism. (If you're into tabloid sensationalism, that is.)
And despite the intro, Today Tonight is on Channel 7, not Channel 10.
Not to mention the racist scare-mongering about 'Middle Eastern' people.
Jeffro, There is no hint of any racist scare-mongering at all in that video.
What the video did show is that most Iranians have flown to Indonesia to board a boat to Australia or else how did they get there?
These are middle class economic refugees which means they aren't refugees at all proven by the fact they had papers from the UNHCR that rejected their claim of refugee statis.
The family interviewed paid 24000 dollars to people smugglers.
I would like to see more interviews with people in camps that don't have 24000 dollars to pay to people smugglers.
The people in the area were mostly from Iran. I believe the last war was over 30 years ago in that part of the world.
I know a young Iranian refugee sent here by her father for a better life. He is atheist, as is she, but her brother was hardcore Muslim. They were very misled by the trafficers. They paid over ten thousand dollars, and were led to believe she was travelling into Australia on a cruise liner. She was mortified when she started the trip. I don't think many of the refugees have any idea of how dangerous or illegal the trip they take will be.
Rudd's policy may work, but it is overly tough. The previous Liberal policy resulted in far less boat people than come now, and was not as inhumane. I enjoyed this article about Rudd and his policy, who is well described as a dysfunctional and self-obsessed. http://www.smh.com.au/comment/kevin-rudd-unmasked-in-devils-island-plan-20130721-2qcgk.html
As others mention, there are significantly more illegal immigrants that overstay visas, than there are boat people, which is used just as a political game. My wife told me to never ask a Filipina about there visa status, as there are so many that stay illegally, including JWs. There was an unwritten rule in the congregations that if you are illegal you do not qualify for privileges, but they were not reported to the authorities.
barry:
What the video did show is that most Iranians have flown to Indonesia to board a boat to Australia or else how did they get there?
Today Tonight has very little credibility. It wouldn't surprise me if they made up all or part of the story, as they have been known to do with some of their stories. At the very least, they would have changed details for dramatic effect.
The video gives no evidence at all about the actions of 'most' Iranians.
I believe there a a few misconceptions as to who should be classified as a refugee.
Refugees are not people that travel to another country for a better life If that was the case most people in poorer countries could claim refugee statis and come to Australia such as most of
China
Refugees are required to report to the first country of safety they reach and register as a refugee and be assessed as to their statis.
Refugees do not have vast amounts of money under the UNHCR this would raise some concern as to their statis.
Refugees are usually from wartorn areas such as the Asaras from Afganistan and shouldn't be sent back the people from Iran are not refugees as a rule as there is no conflict there.
jwfacts:
The previous Liberal policy resulted in far less boat people than come now, and was not as inhumane.
I am not convinced that the Liberal policy resulted in fewer boat people than now. I don't think the people smugglers really care much once they've got their money. It seems more likely that other international factors result in variation of the number of boat arrivals. Similarly, I really don't think Labor's slogans like No Advantage are anything more than a publicity stunt to please Australians rather than influence people smugglers (who just want the money) or asylum seekers (who probably aren't watching youTube a great deal).
barry:
I believe there a a few misconceptions as to who should be classified as a refugee.
It's pretty easy to say they are "misconceptions" when you're just giving your own opinion of who 'should' be a refugee. Of course there will always be people that take advantage of the system, but this has not been shown to be the case with the majority of asylum seekers.
Refugees are not people that travel to another country for a better life.
The entire reason for being a refugee is to escape a worse life.
Refugees are required to report to the first country of safety they reach and register as a refugee and be assessed as to their statis.
I'm sure they all got the memo. "country of safety" is a fairly ambiguous term. "statis" isn't a word.
Refugees do not have vast amounts of money under the UNHCR this would raise some concern as to their statis.
Even in the report you posted (from the ever so reliable Today Tonight), the refugees don't have 'vast amounts of money'. Those who save money specifically for that purpose, thinking the people smugglers are there to 'help' them, don't keep the money they saved. "statis" still isn't a word.
Refugees are usually from wartorn areas such as the Asaras from Afganistan and shouldn't be sent back the people from Iran are not refugees as a rule as there is no conflict there.
Your ignorance is astounding. Iranian racial minorities and those who support their rights suffer violence in Iran. Women's rights in Iran are deplorable. Homosexuals there can face the death penalty.
Ok I should have spelt it status sorry.
Those are not my opinions they are the requirements in my own words of the UNHCR [ United Nations High Commission of Refugees] if you read my earlier post I have a lawyer friend that wrote into Australian law the requirements to meet the United Nations standard which is actually more generous to asylum seekers than is required under the UNHCR ruleing.
Even the Jewish minority in Iran is not persecuted they have a Jewish person in government at this time which is a permanent position and under UNHCR women are not refugees just because you say so, even though they are treated as second class according to our standards.
