Recent Global Cooling Controversy

by metatron 236 Replies latest jw friends

• 

  mP

  @betsy:

  So basically the best you can do is appeal to authority. You cant actually take a look at any data and talk it thru.

  Isnt real science looking at data and understanding what it says, and yet you cant actually do any of that. YOu show me a 100 years of temps as proof, and say thats proves it but when i look back 10000 years thats not enough there are excuses. That hardly sounds solid and your selective authority to some data and not others seems weak.

  Anyway we had warmer temps before and we survived. Like i said before govs have not tried to do anything about it.
• 

  besty

  Lets be clear - the burden of proof is with you as you hold a minority (3%) opinion.

  So yes I can legitimately appeal to authority, as the 97% are recognised experts and hold a consensus view.

  Again - what is your basis for holding a 3% opinion?

  You cant actually take a look at any data and talk it thru.

  You have asked why temperature has varied over geologic time frames before human activity. I have explained how that works, and provided links for further reading.
• 

  mP

  MP -> besty:

  So its so obvoous that you cant actually show a simple set of data to validate your claim ( im htinkng of the 100 v 10000 year temp graphs). such double standards look fishy.

  besty:

  You have asked why temperature has varied over geologic time frames before human activity. I have explained how that works, and provided links for further reading.

  mP:

  I never asked that. I asked why is it different this time and why is it a calamity this time round and why are we blaming man kind almost exclusively. Theres a difference.
• 

  besty

  Isnt real science looking at data and understanding what it says,

  yes it is - climate change theory is very well understood with a high degree of certainty as to causes. If you chose to hold a minority view (3%) then you should explain why you know better than 97% of climate scientists. I haven't seen your explanation yet.
• 

  mP

  besty:

  You wold do better to actually quote and reply so your answers make are more faithful to what i state.
• 

  mP

  besty:

  yes it is - climate change theory is very well understood with a high degree of certainty as to causes.

  mP:

  Agh back to authority again. Its interesting you never touched why gov do nothing about changing our ways. thats the real q i want to know. It sounds hypocritical to claim one thing and then almost completely ignore it in the grand scheme of things when it comes to legislation and action.

  So why are govs blind ? They claim the train is about to go off a cliff but they do nothing to stop it ?
• 

  besty

  YOu show me a 100 years of temps as proof, and say thats proves it but when i look back 10000 years thats not enough there are excuses. That hardly sounds solid and your selective authority to some data and not others seems weak.

  No actually - the graphs I presented were in rebuttal to your cherry-picked claim that Australian weather over the last few years had been "the least hot" as if that somehow is of interest in the context of climate change over decades.

  Climate has varied indefinitely - I didn't offer excuses - I presented the reasons for the scientific consensus on why climate has varied. if you chose to interpret that as 'excuses' then that is your ideology coming into focus.

  I asked why is it different this time and why is it a calamity this time round and why are we blaming man kind almost exclusively. Theres a difference.

  I have already provided an answer in the form of a link http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-natural-cycle.htm
• 

  besty

  Before we go down the government in(action) rabbit hole pls answer my question:

  If you chose to hold a minority view (3%) then you should explain why you know better than 97% of climate scientists. I haven't seen your explanation yet.
• 

  besty

  You wold do better to actually quote and reply so your answers make are more faithful to what i state.

  tnaks for the avdice on spllings grammir and fomrat - much appcited!
• 

  mP

  besty:

  Sorry mate - I'm starting to believe you really are slightly retarded.

  mP:

  You missed the point. My point was the media latch onto anything even crap like i just highlighted. I never said i believed, there is a difference. Aagain your making assumptions thats not written in my words.