How I recently handled JWs at my door (page 24)

jgnat

I can't believe I'm saying this, but seriously, Christian guy, you need to go more in depth in understanding your celestials. And you don't need to depend on a book to do it. Get some software and extend your education.

Ucantnome

Antioch i think that the witnesses set their own test and failed it when they said they were a prophet like Ezekiel and this directly ties into their preaching work.

Antioch

Btw. Which is a bigger "change."

1) The messiah is here to rule. Praise and spread the news!

Messiah gets killed.

Everyone pauses.

"So that didn't turn out like we expected. Let's see. Got killed? Oh, no, no, no. That was his plan all along. See? Got killed, THEN resurrected and will return. See? All good."

2) Messiah is here to rule. Praise and spread the news!

No miraculous revealing. No Armageddon.

The proclaimers pause.

"So that didn't turn out like we expected. Let's see. Returned physicall? Oh, no, no, no. The invisible "presence" was his plan all along. We just misunderstood. See? All good.

Both ideas are precepted on the Messianic rule. Both ideas needed major overhaul after it did not go as planned.
Personally, I think the 1st one was the bigger magic trick. Really incredible.

Ucantnome

it's not about change it's about who they said they were

Antioch

That's backpedaling man. The 1st century Christians also believed they were THE bringers of good news. Hello. They wrote the books that aren't just considered commentary on the Bible. It IS the Bible. So you're saying it's ok to change now, but just don't claim to be speaking the word of God. Ahem. These guys DID write the "word of God." AND changed drastically in their thought and doctrines over a very short time.

Ucantnome

Antioch i'm saying nobody asked the witnesses if they were the modern day Ezekiel they told us they were. Commissioned to do a job.

In the context of Christianity.

Ucantnome

i must go to bed.

Antioch

Sweet dreams Ucantnome. Thank you for the discussion!

Farkel

Christian guy,

Don't sprain your arm patting yourself on the back. Your whole post was about YOU and how wonderful and smart you are.

You wrote:

: They never mentioned the name of Jesus Christ, and of course never said anything about his giving his life to buy us God's forgiveness for our sins.

You never mentioned about WHY Jesus Christ had to give his life to buy us God's forgiveness for our sins, or why his Dad is such a shitty asshole that he had to kill his own kid to do that for us.

Your bullshit is not that much different from JW bullshit.

Farkel

problemaddict

I'm sorry it took me so long to respond.

You said....

Problem,

You wrote: kicking the men out of your home for perverting the word of God after you invited them in and they came back.....was a dick move.

Those two were almost certainly not coming back again anyway. And I had just read them Paul's words saying those who preach a Good News different from that which the apostles preached are to be condemned. So I codemned them for doing it. I wanted to impress upon them the seriousness of what they were doing, corrupting the Good News of Jesus Christ.

The truth is, I didn't want to talk to either of them again anyway until they considered the possibility that they were following false teachers. And I told them that. I showed them some "tough love" and that is exactly what I think they both needed.

Hello CG,

While I still consider myself a Christian, I am probably making peace more with the loss of the religion of my youth, than I am making a bridge to my creator. So i would say, I'm leaning agnostic. I think your actions were not "tough love", but self fullfilling. Don't take that as an insult please. You are human like everyone else. You have neither the ability nor authority to condemn anyone. I doubt very much that wratcheting up the rhetoric in the end did anything but strengthen their resolve when they went back and were eased in conscience by the Watchtower librarys retort on the matter.

I was once a JW apologist. You know what stuck in my head? The kindness and LOGIC of those i spoke with in tandem. Some things I defended, bu the arguement stuck in the back of my mind. The way of the zealot is not the way to convery JW's to your religion or away from theres. An olive branch and kindness in the moment of cognative dissonance can prove much more effective than the boot in the ass.

Jus tmy thoughts of course. i am sure you acted in accord with your conscience.

How I recently handled JWs at my door

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