How I recently handled JWs at my door (page 22)

KateWild

My problem is the assumption that "genuine" chrsitianity is any less a cult than the Watchtower.-cofty

I agree, that's my problem too, only mine is worse because I believe in God. LOL!-Kate xx

antioch if it were the same as the 1st century i would not need to point people to 1914 and the Faithful Slave in order to gain salvation. when my grandfather lived, he was of the generation that the witnesses identified as the generation that would not pass away it did and he did. it made no difference to him or his generation what they preached.

Antioch

Ucantnome,

By that reasoning, if Jesus were really the Christ, the apostles would not have had to point the 1st century chosen people of God to obscure Hebrew scriptures to explain that everything they thought about Judaism was all wrong. Can you imagine the audacity of that! Stop and think about the parallels between the seemingly ridiculousness of the Christian proposition and the JWs. What Christians pulled off was way more wild. Talk about changing the game on them! Trying to explain away the Messiah's death and find somehow his fulfillment of Hebrew prophecies. How you feel about JWs is how Jews felt about Christians on a scale 10x bigger.

That same audacity of JWs therefore, goes way back further than Russell. This strain of religion has been totally re-imagining the world, and explaining away it's past written words, for a long time. It's written into the code of Christianity (hell, even Judaism I guess). To complain about that "change" dynamic now by using unnecessarily rigid reading of Paul is missing the forest because of the trees in the way.

I want to clarify. The JWs are full of it. But weak arguments against the JWs are not useful. They are like weak anti-biotics that only make the bacteria stronger. When I was a JW it was my goal to get rid of weak arguments that JWs used to fend off critics. I wanted the best arsenal and I believed research would find truth like oil on Jed Clampett's farm ("Beverly Hillbillies"!). Unfortunately (or fortunately) that was how I found out JWs were so wrong. The more I sought the foundation of my beliefs the weaker the whole house got.

Ucantnome

I dont think Isaiah was that obscure. I think the ethiopian was reading it.

J. Hofer

the "new light" dogma aint that bad, several JWs compared this to science, things are changed when new evidence is found. the problem with "new light" is, that it can't be absolute truth at the same time. you either make progress and adapt to changes OR have the absolute - unchangeable - truth, can't have it both ways.

Antioch

Hofer,

Seems like ironclad evidence that fealty to the latest "truth" (in the face of questioning) isn't about anything more than a check on your loyalty to the "FDS."

redvip2000

Actually it appears that he did make some of them exact. As I pointed out, " The moon and the sun's most commonly published diameter measurements in miles are 2,160 and 864,000 respectively which equals a ratio of exactly 400.00."

I have never seen an estimate of the Sun's diameter as 864,000 exactly. In any case it's so silly to make this point, because any reasonable person should understand that these are just estimates, and if we did have a way to measure it, all of these numbers would be off, so the ratio would not be exactly 400.00.

If God wanted to prove a point, certainly he would make it to be something which could be easily verifiable. For example, if there was a prediction in the bible which said that on November 10th 2013 all cancer would be cured, and in 5 days from now, this really happened, it would convince me that there is a God.

IF God REALLY wanted everybody to believe in him, what could possibly prevent him from doing this? Certainly it wouldn't take much for the creator of the universe to get rid of cancerous cells.

redvip2000

the "new light" dogma aint that bad, several JWs compared this to science, things are changed when new evidence is found.

It couldn't be a worse comparison as scientists depend only on their own work and observations to make advancements in knowledge. The concept of
new light" is different, because the idea is that God is providing this knowledge, and naturally it also implies that God takes years and years to provide simple straighfoward information, which is not rational thinking.

Antioch

Redvip2000,

new light" is different, because the idea is that God is providing this knowledge, and naturally it also implies that God takes years and years to provide simple straighfoward information, which is not rational thinking.

What Bible have you been reading? It started with the prophesy of the "seed." How many hundreds of years was it between that and Christians claiming Jesus was that seed MUCH to the dismay and total disbelief of the vast majority of "God's people" (the Jews) of that time? If you don't like that game, you need to move to a different holy book.

redvip2000

@Antioch

What Bible have you been reading? It started with the prophesy of the "seed." How many hundreds of years was it between that and Christians claiming Jesus was that seed..

Well...first i'm still coming to grips with the fact that you are actually defending the idea that the creator of the universe is somehow not able to provide accurate information to humans in a fast and straightfoward manner. Yet, you sit by the TV eating popcorn as you watch Obama address the nation, and in about 20 minutes information is delivered to you about what his plan is - and all this seems normal to you.

In any case, you answered your own question. As you said ..." Christians claiming Jesus was the seed". Never was it said that God told christians that Jesus was the Messiah via some "new light". Christians simply made this assertion based on observations of Jesus and his claims/actions. Christians also never changed their mind on who the messiah was, and then claimed that they received "new light". Your example is a bad one.

How I recently handled JWs at my door

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