They are really begging for money again..

by XBEHERE 56 Replies latest jw friends

  • fiddler
    fiddler

    The part of that letter that angered me was this:

    This giving spirit is in sharp contrast to the selfish attitude of those in the world around us. While many spend their resources on personal pleasures and on enriching their own lives, you faithful ones have put the needs of others ahead of your own.

    That statement is a bald faced lie! In just my own area I see so much giving and helping in the community by churches and others helping strangers in times of need and tragedy.

    When I left the organization that was one of the big things I took note of. The people I met were NOT what I'd always been told they were; selfish and materialistic. Oh, some had great homes and cars but hey, so did a fair few of the elders in the congregations I attended over the years.

    I hate the way they lie.

  • Vidiot
    Vidiot

    jgnat - "Having real estate for sale is not the same as having money in the bank."

    Oh, believe me, I know.

    I was being a smartass.

  • konceptual99
    konceptual99

    I wouldn't worry about the GB living conditions. The UK Bethel has already booked out the Marriott hotel that is on site at Twickenham for the VIPs. Rates are £224 per night for the days leading up to the international convention next year. They were £300 per night for the assembly weekend. You could get IBSA rates but ONLY for a 7 night stay. Of course the Marriott was NOT one of the hotels listed by the rooming department for accomodation. Far be it for the visiting GB special ones to be holed up with just any ol' dub.

    At least the impending sale of Mill Hill and a move outside of the capital will fund things.

    Er... hang on a mo - I forgot... The WTS will simply ramp up their pleas for donations from the hard pressed R&F and pocket the proceeds of their multi-million pound property bonanza.

    Generally speaking these letters are simply a passive-aggressive way of squeezing even just a few quid a month more from as many people as possible. Even if just 5% of the UK R&F gave £1 a month more then it would equate to approx £72k. If they did a fiver or even a tenner - squids in.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Thanking people for their generosity is a vital first step in extracting even more sacrifices from them. But then religion and money go together like hammer and nails.

    The organization may boast it does not tithe members but it has honed the special art of extracting donations from its very poor members. Oh, to blame these difficult times on Satan (as the letter wearily does) is as clever as it is dull-minded. Mind you, it brings to mind a blunt old saw from yesteryear:

    "A fool and his money are soon parted". Adherence to religious organizations is a certain sign of foolishness. Now show me your money. I want it.

    Speaking of which, Christendom-hating Rutherford got precious few things right during his Watchtower presidency but he was bang on the money with his pithy putdown of organized religion the 1930s: "Religion is a snare and a racket". Thank you Judge for your inadvertent self-disclosure.

  • DATA-DOG
    DATA-DOG

    Perhaps the RNWT should render YHWH as JeHobo, since he is always broke??

  • Simon Morley
    Simon Morley

    Fiddler is right on the mark. consider one local example for me:

    * Alberta members of the CUPE Union donated $130,000 for flood relief (approx $4 per member)

    * United Chruch of Canada donated $110,000 for flood relief

    * Private and corporate donations for flood relief exceeded $5,400,000

    * Thousands who dontated fee time and goods out of their own pocket. My office was closed in calgary and 14 of the staff who could not work from home dontated their work time to the relife effort for over a week.

    I hate it when they say the world is selfish

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    TTATTelder wrote:

    There is also something in place now that I'm not sure if many people know about.

    They encourage congregations to keep any excess funds on deposit with the branch. They call it "Funds On Deposit". Our congregation has several thousand dollars on deposit with the branch. We only keep about 2-3k in our checking account.

    The arrangement is to let them hold and use the money until if/when we need it in the future. So basically it is a no-interest loan.

    That makes you wonder how many congregations have how many thousands "On Deposit" with the branches around the world?

    That is correct. While this sounds like a beneficial plan for both the Kingdom Hall (safety of funds) and the Watchtower (more cash reserves available), the reality was brought to my attention a few months back when I was involved in researching the Menlo Park Kingdom Hall scandal.

    In the past each Kingdom Hall would take in its incoming contributions and each month pay the utilities, pay for literature, pay for minor repairs, and cover any out-of-pocket expenses of the elders and others for supplies and minor items like flowers, stationery, Memorial wine and crackers, etc. A certain amount or percentage of what was left over would be sent to the Watchtower, as would payments on any moneys still due for construction or improvement loans on the Kingdom Hall. The remainder would be placed in a second bank account (often in a different bank) to be used as reserves.

    With the new arrangement, most of the reserves would be forwarded to the WT and only a small amount <=> $1000 USD would be retained in the KH reserve funds.

    My contact told me that something is not quite right with this arrangement. When his KH accounts elder contacted the WT and asked for $10,000 of their own money to pay for exterior paint and roof repairs required after a local RBC building inspection, the WT denied their request. Instead, they suggested that the local elders ask the congregation to increase their donations specifically for the repairs rather than draw down on savings deposited with the WT.

    When he was having an off-the-cuff conversation with an elder from another congregation he was told that they had experienced the same thing. When they decided to increase the level of their local savings and reduce the amount of "excess" sent to the WT, they came under fire by the CO and DO. They actually had to go to a "come to Jesus" meeting about this and all got their butts chewed. The elders agreed that when it came to local bank accounts that they were "damned if they did and damned if they didn't when they sent it to the WT.

    My contact told me that local elders who have been through this process know that any excess bank moneys deposited with the WT will likely never be seen again. The Watchtower will simply tell them to find other ways to gather up the funds they need and leave the money on deposit with the Watchtower.

    I've also heard rumors that the Watchtower will have deposit and withdrawal rights on all local KH bank accounts. This may be in place now for some larger congregations. If that happens, all financial control of local fund will be assumed by New York HQ.

    JV

  • NewYork44M
    NewYork44M

    My gess is that they measure donations after reading such letters and discovered that there is a bump in donations. So, guilt works. Thus, they will continue the strategy. The only question is how often do they send the letter?

  • TTATTelder
    TTATTelder

    JV,

    I will say this. If that scenario you described played out in our hall, I would be quite upset. It would "expose" me to some degree. For them to say "ask the congregation" for more funds is absurd. The congregation already gave the money. They no doubt see the flock as an endless well of funds.

  • Juan Viejo2
    Juan Viejo2

    TTATTelder,

    Keep us informed as to what is going on in your Hall. You might bring it up during meetings with elders from other KHs to see if any of them have experienced similar situations. The contact I was getting the information from was in the San Francisco Bay Area from one of the more affluent cities (he was not from Menlo Park). So maybe this technique on the part of the WT may be directed toward those KHs felt to be "wealthy." They may not waste their time using this technique on small KHs in Conway, Arkansas or Woodburn, Oregon.

    If this happens in your KH in the future please let us know. Keep your ears open. My SF Bay contact seemed very credible and many other clues he gave me eventually panned out.

    JV

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