by OnTheWayOut 171 Replies latest members adult
Some allow for definitions of atheists are "open to the possibility that he may exist." Some insist that you are agnostic.
You have to live with the label that you decide upon.
Food for thought- You probably don't believe in Zeus or Jupiter, probably not in the God of Christianity or Islam. You are an atheist as far as many believers are concerned.
There is a missunderstanding regarding "I don´t believe in....."
Just because someone "doesn´t believe in" must not mean that he/she dismiss it. Zeus, Jupiter, Allah....other names of the same God or maybe other Gods? Honesty, I have NO idea. I stay neutral.
I hear ya, Mr. Fool. But I don't accept that Yahweh appeared to Greeks or Romans as someone else or that Zeus is Jesus (or the God of Jesus).
If we go with that, then God is even more to be a rather unpleasant fellow who took vengeance on humans and incited wars and made one people think one thing about him and another people think another.
All the gods of the past are made up, same as the popular gods of the present.
Neither do I accept things I have no idea of, but I try not to dismiss something only because it seems unlogic.
"All the gods of the past are made up" is a statement I would use only if I KNOW, beyond any doubt, by own personal experience. I´m not sure it´s wise to conclude something based on a conclusion in the brain.
Then all praise to Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I don't go by "beyond any doubt" if we are talking about microscopic amounts of doubt.
That takes us to the fact that we cannot disprove so many things, or saying that the teapot really is orbiting the earth until we can, all at one time, see absolutely every square centimeter of the vast area at all levels where anything could be orbiting the earth.
But I understand that some others do go with just that.
Mr Fool said-
"All the gods of the past are made up" is a statement I would use only if I KNOW, beyond any doubt, by own personal experience. I´m not sure it´s wise to conclude something based on a conclusion in the brain.
Yet you said above that you are willing to believe in a God, despite "not KNOWING, beyond any doubt, by your own personal experience"?
One of biggest fallacies out there is that conclusive evidence COULD exist, or needs to exist to reach a conclusion (as if absolutes exist, outside of the realm of theology and math). There's TONS of overwhelming evidence out there, but by definition it must be indirect, since God always somehow conveniently manages to move just outside of our ability to see him, as if receding further away from where he was previously said to exist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVusPTM0P9o
Adam
Adamah - I cannot find anywhere I wrote that I´m willing to believe in God. I don´t believe that God exist (but I hope on a universal Truth) but still I´m open for the possibility that He MAY, or MAY NOT exist. If he indeed exists and if I one day will meet him face by face, in person, and KNOW that´s Him, after I can say to myself "I have met God". But for now, I recognize myself as extremly ignorant, so I have nothing to learn anyone actually.
I´m open for the possibility that He MAY exist
Mr Fool is it a 50:50 possibility for you, or more like 90:10 against?
For me its 99.999999999...% against, but I'm open to the vanishingly small possibility.
Cofty - it´s like 50-50 for me, I have no idea because I have nothing to back it up with.
Interesting that your possibility scale is close to 100% and mine is about 50%.......interesting. I quess the scale indicates how convinced anyone is (or not).
Then you have many years of reading, thinking, listening and debating to do.
The available evidence is abundant, enjoy the journey.
Reserving judgement is wise at this stage but pretending nobody can ever be certain is not a virtue, it's just a way of avoiding the hard work.
