nicolaou asked me a question. How will I answer? (page 5)

bohm

kate: i know photons give you a apiritual experience, but thats not answering the question why we need god to have photons

KateWild

bohm. I didn't say we need God to have photons, photons make me think about him. Kate xx

KateWild

I like you bohm, thanks for joining in xxx

adamah

You're not going to define 'divine', Kate?

Kate said- I didn't say we need God to have photons, photons make me think about him.

Well there's the fundamental difference then, since while photons make you think about God, photons make the scientifically-minded think about photons.

KateWild

You are generalising again Adam, Einstein was scientifically minded. What did he say about the order and unity of physical laws?

Kate xx

adamah

Kate, you're intellectually-dishonest by posting inflammatory words you don't actually believe, as if trying to goad a response from others. There's a fine line between trolling and what you do.

You've read Einstein, but you still refuse to understand that Einstein was referring to a "cosmic religion", a sense of wonderment and awe that drives scientists to ask big questions that CAN be studied and explored, and not questions that rely on assumptions derived from theological definitions of religion and God in the sky. He repeatedly said he doesn't believe in an anthropomorphic God who expresses His Will, wants to be BFF with humans, who sent his son Jesus to die for your sins, etc.

BTW, Einstein was a mortal who put his pants on, one leg at a time. Einstein was WRONG about the existence of black holes: although his work paved the way for showing their existence, Einstein didn't think they existed (it conflicted with his tendencies toward accepting the Newtonian view of a perfectly-ordered Universe which followed many as-yet-unknown laws). Einstein's view conflicted with Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, which held the role of uncertainty was a fundamental aspect of nature that cannot be accounted for, since it's a fundamental property of matter. When Einstein said, "God doesn't play dice with the Universe" (referring to a deistic God), Heisenberg said, "Who does Einstein think he is, telling God what to do?" (referring to a traditional definition of God, which he assumed Einstein was using; machts nichts, either way, since Heisenberg was correct, as uncertainty does play a role, as validated from the World of quantum physics, where weird and seemingly random things are accepted as part-and-parcel of behavior at the quantum level of matter).

Adam

KateWild

Kate, you're intellectually-dishonest by posting inflammatory words you don't actually believe, as if trying to goad a response from others. There's a fine line between trolling and what you do.-Adam

Actually Adam many posters would say you are describing you, not me. I know I have been told.

I suggested we read the book together and you refused. You don't really know what Einstein's veiws on religion are at all, or for that matter you don't know mine either.

Kate xx

cofty

Kate, you do accept that Einstein completely rejected theism don't you?

sammielee24

The most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well as all serious endeavour in art and science. He who never had this experience seems to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is a something that our mind cannot grasp and whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly and as a feeble reflection, this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious. To me it suffices to wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere image of the lofty structure of all that there is.

- Albert Einstein, The World As I See It (1949)

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