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cofty

Yes but that isn't theism, its simply a sense of wonder or awe.

KateWild

Kate, you do accept that Einstein completely rejected theism don't you?-cofty

How did Einstein define theism? Can I have a quote please? not a 50 page link

Einstein rejected a God who cares about us, me too. Kate xx

It's a meeting night gotta go. But Alby talks about all kinds of 'isms....pantheism is another one that comes to mind. Atm I am just a newbie, to me you either believe in God, you don't, or you don't know.

I don't know about all the others i am afraid. But I don't wan to be late for the meeting. Bye for now Kate xx

prologos

The two pictures* of Lake Louise posted by JGNAT look the same, but they are not, one is younger.

Could we IMAGINE a different universe if we inserted a powerful alternate GOD, yes, but

we have only one universe, getting older, with a fixed past. without a resident deity.

The universe came packaged with instructions out of the big bang energy singularity, no further tinkering by her creatress required.

Do we need God to have protons? Do protons exist in the hard vaccuum of the pre-big bang condion of the cosmos?

Yes we do, if she is the giver of energy.

Do we need time before the big bang,?

yes we do, if there were fluctuations, time^2.

do we need movement through time for photons?

No, at the level, speed,"c" there is zero movement through time. so time is stationary. we move, because we are slow-pokes compared to the "divine" photons.

so while the 2 pictures of the Cosmos look the same, the one "without god universe is younger".

* as an aside for Candians, thank you JGNAT for the view, I never saw the granite outcrops at the right. Makes me think of Mount Rushmore,

we could sculpt famous Canadians from that, like Mc.Duffy, Rob Ford.

KateWild

'What would the Universe look like without God?'-nic

I have been philosophising over this question. I have two answers.

1. I am optimistic. I see so many positive nice, things in the world/universe. A world without God would be void of positive. There would be black and white and shades of grey everywhere. No colour or beauty in the world. There would be no animals doing funny things like chasing their tails, no animals at all. Nothing would smell nice like flowers and food. Food would just be grey and taste the same. There would be no music, no jokes or even children. Life would be boring. Nothing would be exciting or passionate. Oh yeah there would be no hunky guys, red wine, or chocolate.

2. If I did not have God in my life, I would be void of the desire to learn and achieve. I would not have passion or drive. I would not have fun, tell jokes, cook new dishes. I would not want to travel and meet knew people. My life would be dull without God. I would be depressed and self absorbed and have too much red wine and chocolate. I would not want to learn about chemistry or anything. I would be a zombie that hunky guys would avoid.

Not very pretty, did I answer the question okay? Kate xx

prologos

kate, do we not have all the GOOD you describe without a trace of god, who seems,- for all practical purposes be hiding?

cofty

5 hours ago...

Einstein rejected a God who cares about us, me too. Kate xx

2 hours ago...

I see so many positive nice, things in the world/universe. A world without God would be void of positive.

Is god the source of all that is good, or a heartless bastard, or non-existent?

Oubliette

Google "religious violence" and see what comes up!

adamah

Cofty said-

5 hours ago...

Einstein rejected a God who cares about us, me too. Kate xx

2 hours ago...

I see so many positive nice, things in the world/universe. A world without God would be void of positive.

Is god the source of all that is good, or a heartless bastard, or non-existent?

I'm confused about what argument Kate is trying to make, as it sure seems like she's saying both the orderliness and predictability of Einstein and Newtonian physics points to the existence of God AND saying the randomness and unpredictable (mysterious/spiritual) behavior of sub-atomic particles of Heisenburg/Bohr ALSO points to the existence of God? Seems like all roads are leading to a personal God!

It seems Kate has discovered a dualistic proof of the existence of God, somewhat analogous to 'wave-particle duality' of photons, where they display properties of BOTH particles AND waves, depending on the experimental conditions under which they are examined.

(Either that, or she might just be oscillating the goalposts so quickly that they appear to be in two different places at the same time...)

Adam

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