Why say Jehovah anymore?

by Bang 70 Replies latest jw friends

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  plmkrzy

  What exactly is it your not getting?
  There is no contadiction reaaly . It just has to do with periods of time and reasons why it was not used and then reasons why it surfaced again.
  When the name was taken out of the original writings is was because they believed that it was blasphimus (spekll ck needed simon) And LATER the name was re-introduced into the original writings during translations.
  The name Jehovah is simply the CLOSEST translation we have in OUR language to the original.

  There is a difference between Existing and USEING

  http://ourworld.cs.com/pwmkwzy/PicturePage.html
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  plmkrzy

  Bang

  "You won't find howdy in hebrew, but the sound in hebrew is kinda like 'ah good' or 'splendid'."

  LOL Now see if you can sound out BINGO!

  LMAO

  http://ourworld.cs.com/pwmkwzy/PicturePage.html
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  Bang

  Closest in our language? What about Yahweh?

  I thought that these names came from letter playing with Lord or "I Am Who Am".

  The sound 'ginna' is garden, I don't know other similar sounds in hebrew though (yet).

  Bang
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  SixofNine

  Plum, I assume you're last post was directed to me?

  If so, what I'm not getting, specifically, is why the page I mentioned above ( http://www.yhwh.com/jehovah.htm ) seems to contradict itself as to the origination of the usage of the word "Jehovah" for God's name.

  btw,

  The name Jehovah is simply the CLOSEST translation we have in OUR language to the original.

  is not true at all, not from what I have researched. "Jehovah" is demonstrably incorrect--not even close. OTH, it would seem that "Yahweh" is a pretty good guess.
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  ZFJ

  I am new here btw but here is a thought I had on this subject.

  YHWH or some form of it appears to have been used in the OT. Whether or not it was used or how often it was used is irrelavent for this discussion. Apparently the use of it was stopped (supersticiously? or did the Jews have a reason?) before the time of Jesus / Greek / NT times. The Apostles, who IMHO had a more intimate relationship with God and Jesus than anyone after their time, did not use YHWH or Jehovah. The Greek word they used is Kupiou which translated is Lord. Even the Interlinear Translation agrees that Kupiou/Lord was used in the Greek scriptures. The "restoring" of the name of Jehovah to the Greek scriptures has no value. We put our faith in those scriptures that they are the perfect word of God written with the help of the Holy Spirit through the hand of a man. Yet they retain their perfection. To believe that the word of God is flawed would put the foundation of our faith in jeopardy!

  Would you study a science book or math book if you KNEW that it had numerous severe mistakes?

  The only way to claim that the original Greek scriptures are flawed AND that another translation is correct, is to say that one has "divine inspiration". Sound familiar? If that person or group does have that divine inspiration then misinterpreting the date of Armageddon would not be possible. Or is it?

  ZFJ
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  Bang

  (supersticiously? or did the Jews have a reason?)
  Maybe they asked for stones and got stones.
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  plmkrzy

  SixofNine
  OK I'll go back and re-read it. maybe i missed something.

  be right back

  http://ourworld.cs.com/pwmkwzy/PicturePage.html

  BTW YES They stopped using his NAME and replaced it with LORD because thet WERE VERY! VERY! superstitious people.
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  Bang

  Dinky,
  I'll try and find some Hawthorne online. I haven't read Hawthorne, but I love symbol - more than language perhaps.

  Bang
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  Yerusalyim

  SJ,

  You said,

  And, Bang? Please know that "Allah" is simply a mis-understanding/ statement/spelling of the Hebrew word for "praise JAH", which has been handed down by Ishmael's 'seed' (those who are Islamic and follow the Prophet Mohammed), which word is: ALLELUJAH

  I'd LOVE to see the research backing this up, ESPECIALLY considering Allah was the name of the MOON god of the pagan Arabs.

  SJ,

  If God knows you're talking to him do ya really HAVE to call him Jehovah, My dad would be pissed as hell if I walked around calling him Wichtard when his name is really Richard.

  If one is comfortable using Jehovah, or Yahweh, fine, if a group tries to COMPELL me to use it, I have a problem with that.

  
  YERUSALYIM
  "Vanity! It's my favorite sin!"
  [Al Pacino as Satan, in "DEVIL'S ADVOCATE"]
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  plmkrzy

  I re-arranged this because I think the way it is laid out is confusing
  Go to your link and compare, see if that helps at all. Im not real great at organizing it but I think it MAY be a BIT clearer?

  In 1278 a spanish monk, Raymundo Martini, wrote the latin work PUGIO FIDEI (Dagger of faith). In it he used the name of God, spelling it Yohoua.

  Later printings of this work, dated some centuries later, used the spelling JEHOVA.

  Soon after, in 1303, Porchetus de Salvaticis completed a work entitled VICTORIA PORCHETI AVERSUS IMPIOS HEBRAEOS (Porchetus' Victory Against the Ungodly Hebrews). He spells God's name IOHOUAH, IOHOUA and IHOUAH.

  Now, the direct answer to your question: the name "Jehovah" first appeared in an “ English” BIBLE in 1530,

  In 1278 to 1530 = the difference of centuries.

  In 1534 Martin Luther published his complete translation of the Bible in German, based on the original languages. While he used the German "Herr" (Lord or Sir) for the Tetragrammaton, in a sermon which he delivered in 1526 on Jeremiah 23:1-8, he said, "The name Jehovah, Lord, belongs exclusively to the true God."

  The Masoretes, who from about the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible, replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of the Hebrew words Adonai ("Lord", editor) or Elohim ("God", editor).

  Thus, (YeHoWaH) (emphasis ours, ed.) came into being.

  (YeHoWaH) came into being

  the artificial name Jehovah Maybe a better word might have been “generic”