Am I wrong or right please clarify if you know

by Skeptical78 122 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • ablebodiedman
    ablebodiedman

    At one time I was very uncertain about the year 1914 with all the controversy about the starting date to calculate the period.

    You can see a lot of that controversy already in the posts above.

    I used a completely different method to settle in my mind the veracity of 1914 that does not involve a "start date" for the calculation.

    Instead I searched for other evidence which the bible infers should be available immediately prior to the year 1914 if its significance is true.

    and found it with help from what was a very new resource at the time .................................... google!

    Here is a video explaining:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKjvInShZQ

    abe

  • billythekid46
    billythekid46

    In my hast, I forgot. Thank you to nswer *truwj* 1799 theory that was tied to Miller not the bible students, however when Storr started making similar attributes to miller, that’s when Storr and Russell had that falling out, because Russell was against making such predications as Miller. Since 1799 date was used I just assumed to include Miller in you rendition of your truth, just like the false application that people have about 1914, that people believe the WT predicated the end of the world in 1914 verses simply stating under biblical chronology and historical events Jesus Christ entered into Kingship on that date, did they with 100% certainty? no, because other than Christ no one in this or past life times are perfect, just like your interpretation of historical events. Does this mean people have attempted with their assertion on the end of times, yes there has been plenty of people and historians that have made such predictions most recently 2012 which the WT has only written against making such predictions?

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    I recently became aware of the new light. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this new light concerning 1914 means that the wt have been preaching the wrong doctrine for decades?

    You would think. But no. They don't call what they used to believe 'wrong' they call it 'New Light.'

    They have Fonzie-itus. Can't say 'wrong.'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqgDoo_eZE

  • Skeptical78
    Skeptical78

    Thank you for all ur welcomes. My story? It's really not that interesting. I was the only child of mixed race in a single parent white family, my mum hooked up with the jw wen I was about 6, I remember the meetings field service and nightmares I had every night about Armeggeddon, because I still played with my school friends rather than be bullied and if I got slapped I slapped back, it was my nature, I remember being spanked a lot because I said what I thought and I remember never really understanding anything but knowing how to explain it, i was very interested at that young age in the spiritual things and I was most intrigued by the 144,000. I remember studying the revelation book the first time it came out I think my mum was disfellowshipped not long after that... Anyway during one bible study I asked innocently how the anointed know they are so I was told its a personal experience & they just know, and I said something like I could be one of them & I was laughed at & told no no no ur not one of them. so I asked how could he know since it's a personal experience, and only I and God would know... I still have no answer it was very amusing to the study group that I could be so silly to think I a little black girl could have a heavenly hope... Note I'm not a racist but you will see my point about race soon... Anyway my brother was baptized at 11/12 & I was being pressurized but I couldnt do it, at that point I didn't know what the unforgivable sin was but I assumed it was leaving the jw after baptism I.e being disfellowshipped... & i couldn't dedicate myself to something I did not understand... So my mum left because she was participating in worldly activities with other sisters (party) and after a few months of uncles & aunts coming to collect us for meetings we were left to our own devices. The elders visited my bro but didn't give a toss about me because I wasnt baptized and so I guess I didn't affect their statistics... So I went into the world feeling as though I didn't quote helier the wt but what if... I lived in fear of every war report political upheaval lightening bolt thunder clap... It's ridiculous the amount of fear and self-loathing that permeated my teenage life... I was 12/13 wen my mum left and I immeidiatly rebelled, had a beautiful daughter when I was 16 & then worried my baby would die to... Then I started to look for God... I started some research on the wt... A lot of the old prophecy and ridiculous occult methods of attaining doctrine & support is diabolical!!! so much stuff... Anyway my mum went back and is a wheelchair bound publisher at 65 years of age. It's ridiculous... She's not well! However she will hear not a word said against her beloved wt society and relies on them for her food at the proper time. It breaks my heart to see the level if brainwashing. I guess I'm here to see if I can finally show her some truth based on their own publications as she refuses to read anything non wt. As Jesus said " by their own words let them be condemned.... Getting back to the race thing... It's an accepted fact that Jesus and his counterparts were not white & definitely not white Jewish. However nowhere in ANY wt publications are ANY of the men of old depicted as black... Race doesn't matter but when we have a world full of a mixture of races is it not offensive that the wt through its illustrations shows all non whites that they have no place in Gods kingdom? That they are not in scripture unless ur Ham or the Eunuch... If race isn't an issue why are there no pictures of black bible characters??? Lastly just as an opinion. My life became so pointless I had no desire to plan for tomorrow it's only now after 30 years of recovery that I realise Armeggdon isn't coming. Not for now anyway. Also the wt must see that now after three studies of revelation to firmly implant the knowledge in jw head that now the book needs rewriting? Id feel cheated if I'd have sat down for all those hours underlining n reading the same scriptures over n over again just to be told oh no... That's been moved into the future. also how have they explained the fact that they've been wrong for over a decade because saying something has happened and then saying it hasn't are two opposing statements one is true & one is false. They cannot both be proven right. Responding active jw's, don't you get that?

  • Skeptical78
    Skeptical78

    I haven't mastered how to reply directly but thanks got the fonze vid. Very funny! :). Thank you for all your responses I am reading avidly

  • Oubliette
    Oubliette

    Skeptical78: doesn't this new light concerning 1914 means that the wt have been preaching the wrong doctrine for decades?

    Not just decades, they've been wrong for more than a century!

    Welcome to the forum.

  • Skeptical78
    Skeptical78

    Also the research you've done on the fall is awesome!! Thank you. However isn't it ALL redundant when the actual date if 1914 came about from a measurement of Gods stone witness... Excuse me... The satanically inspired pyramid of Giza ?

  • WhoYourDaddy
    WhoYourDaddy

    just start with the basic premise.....jw's are batshit crazy. It will save you a lot of time.

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    Welcome Skeptical78 enjoy your stay here .I love it when someone finds TTATT .

    smiddy

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    billythekid46:

    First off, I stated in my first post that the WT is NOT THE ONLY RELIGION that accepts the 1914 rendering of events.

    You have not established that at all. Though you found a Protestant source that indicates some event in 607 (unsurprising since JWs derive their chronology from Protestantism via Adventism, with later adjustments), the Protestant source you quote associates an entirely different event to 607, and makes no statement about 1914 whatsoever.

    *Jeffro* assumed that was my research when it was not

    Yet earlier, he said:

    My research was as you put it done from scratch with countless years of research and I didn’t reply on anyone’s interpretation

    I suppose it was rather naive of me to conclude from your statement - that you researched something from scratch - would mean that what you would post about the subject - without any citation - would be your research. I certainly won't make that mistake again.

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