Starting from a false Premise.

by Phizzy 45 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  KateWild

  Island Mann,

  I didn't miss the point of the puddle illustration I made a point of my own. I am not a creationist, though I see your point but you generalise about what creationists believe. I believe everyone is unique and has a unique set of beliefs.

  Living things cannot come from non-living things that is a fact. Abiogenesis doesn't prove anything. Stereo-isomers in amino acids are mainly L-enantiomers in nature, however in the lab a racemic mixture forms. For me this is my evidence and all I need to remain in my veiw there is a creator. I am not filling in gaps I am making scientific enquiries.

  You obviously disagree with me, that's okay but lurkers can now see both sides of the story.

  Kate xx
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  bigmac

  do you show respect for beliefs such as the Earth is flat

  from my 7th floor balcony ( next floor up is heaven )---i am looking out over the ocean---and---trust me folks--the earth IS FLAT !!

  also--in the distance--i can see England--and it IS very small--so the Isle of Wight MUST be much bigger than England.
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  DJS

  Phizzy,

  I like this thread, as this is something that annoys the hell out of me on this site. Here is the deal, Team. When you are having talk around 'discussions' with your like-minded theist buds on this site, y'all can talk about your feelings, beliefs and what you think until you are so full of yourselves you could pop. I'm certain it is good therapy for you (althought the entire thought of anyone wanting to discuss theist/JW crap, I mean topics, more than a year or two after exiting the nasty little cult is beyond me. But I digress).

  Now the problem. When the topic is something other than your feelings, beliefs and thoughts, when you enter a discussion that will be about facts, a real debate, either bring facts or intellectual analysis and thought provoking commentary or stay out of it. Nothing annoys me more (and thank god she is now gone) than a theist who jumps into a very good debate with nothing more than their theist mantras. "all things eminate from god through his son jesus by way of the holy spirt." AARRGGHH.. And atheists should likewise stay out of clearly theist/JW discussions where feelings, beliefs and thoughts rule the day.

  If those simple rules of engagement were followed there wouldn't be flame wars. There ARE some good theist points of view; the bible, jesus, god as taught in the bible, what you feel, think or believe (or the tiny little bit of 'knowledge' that you possess with neither length, width, depth or breadth is NOT real knowledge). Starting from the premise that there is a god, or the bible is god's word, or that jesus has other than a brief historical - maybe - footnote a few thousand years ago, is something that should be kept to your coffe talk chat arounds.
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  suavojr

  We all have the same evidence in front of us, we have the same sacred writings, we have to same earth, the same universe, the same fossils, etc... The difference is the way we view such evidence and how sometimes we are not willing to accept the evidence in front of us, for example the same technology and understanding we use to authenticate writings from antiquity is good. But when we use the same technology and find the earth is not 6,000 years old, that we did not have a global flood, that the account of Genesis cannot be true, the theist will simply dismiss it as inconclusive and faulty technology. Ironic isn't it?
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  suavojr

  The question is, what will you do with the evidence in front of you?
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  Vidiot

  suavojr - "...for example the same technology and understanding we use to authenticate writings from antiquity is good. But when we use the same technology and find the earth is not 6,000 years old, that we did not have a global flood, that the account of Genesis cannot be true, the theist will simply dismiss it as inconclusive and faulty technology. Ironic isn't it?"

  Dontcha just love double standards?