Thought Experiments and Bill Bowen (page 3)

detective

Hilda says:

And the WT is not trying to protect itself. It loves children and has a policy designed to protect children.

Which policy is that? Requiring two witnesses to pedophilia or warning children that they might be comtting slander if they can't produce two witnesses? Which policy, Hilda?

Hilda continues:

Those who molest children in the WT are punished.

Really? Punished how? No microphone privledges? Woohoo! That'll solve the problem. Or punished by expulsion? As a "worldly" person, why do you think I should find that impressive? Hmmm? Do you think it comforts me to know that the watchtower protected it's own ass by expelling someone yet leaves them undetected among the "worldlies"?

Screw you, Hilda.

HildaBingen

:Which policy is that? Requiring two witnesses to pedophilia or warning children that they might be comtting slander if they can't produce two witnesses? Which policy, Hilda?:

You have a 'puter do you not? Read the WT media website and you will find out about WT policy.

:Hilda continues:

Those who molest children in the WT are punished.

Really? Punished how? No microphone privledges? Woohoo! That'll solve the problem. Or punished by expulsion? As a "worldly" person, why do you think I should find that impressive? Hmmm? Do you think it comforts me to know that the watchtower protected it's own ass by expelling someone yet leaves them undetected among the "worldlies"?:

You judge the motives of the WT, something you obviously know nothing about. Pedophilia is a sexual sin. It is also a crime in most parts of the world. But it was not always a crime. Take ancient Greece as an example.

The point is that Christian elders are told to judge those on the inside while the world judges those on the outside. The Bible also says that a Christian will be punished by the superior authorities if she breaks positive law. It is not about covering anybody's behind, sir or whatever gender you are.

:Screw you, Hilda.:

I am not that kind of gal.

hawkaw

Pedophila is not a sexual sin. Its about a sicko who wants to control an innocent little person. It has absolutely nothing to do with sex you f__king idiot who likes to label people "apostates".

The point is Christian elders should be no where near these cases and people who are experienced in this field need to be there for the innocent kids.

hawk

HildaBingen

:Pedophila is not a sexual sin.:

From a Christian viewpoint, any sex act outside of marriage is a sin. Any fondling or manipulating of someone's organs is loose conduct.

:Its about sicko who wants to control an innocent little person.:

I don't disagree with your sentiments. I just think you are thinking in terms of either/or (wrongly) when you should be thinking in terms of both/and. Avoid bipolar oppositional thinking, hawk.

:It has absolutely nothing to do with sex you f__king idiot who likes to label people "apostates".:

"Nothing" to do with sex? Really?

:The point is Christian elders should be no where near these cases and people who are experienced in this field need to be there for the innocent kids.:

There may be a place for worldly authorities to intervene. I am not arguing that point. I am just trying to show you that the WT does not necessarily want to cover its hind parts by letting elders take care of those who abuse children.

hawkaw

Oh brother - why if I had your brains ......

It's about control - plain and simple - control the mind and the body of the innocent - abuse them in any way to show how much control you have over some one less strong.

Its sick and that is what you support. You would support the WT way before some little kid gets wacked.

Sick I tell you - sick

hawk

amac

Pedophila is not a sexual sin. Its about sicko who wants to control an innocent little person. It has absolutely nothing to do with sex you f__king idiot who likes to label people "apostates".

That's ridiculous. What kind of sin is it then? And labelling people "f__king idiots" can't be much better than "apostates"

The point is Christian elders should be no where near these cases and people who are experienced in this field need to be there for the innocent kids.

Agreed. It would be nice to see the WT publich an article clarifying that it is the parent involved that should be including the authorities and not relying on the group of elders to report it. That way the authorities can be involved as soon as possible and all the anti-JWs can finally stop throwing the blame and the burden on the elders and the WT. Everyone wants to blame the elders for not reporting. I would like to see the burden put on the parent involved (when they are involved) to report to the authorities instead of relying on their elders. If someone breaks in their house and steals their TV, who do they call? If someone is throwing rocks at their house who do they call? If somone molests their child, who do they call? It should be that simple, but it obviously isn't.

rekless

Hilda,

I was an elder and I know for a fact we let a father that committed incest be reproved but not removed from the congregation. We never (due to ignorance) went to the police, just like dumb drones we did as the society outlined.

He went on to molest each of his children even his baby boy.
Yes, he was finally Dfed but it did not have anything to do with his molesation , he just became "spiritually weak", field service went down, his wife finaly left him ( she and her kids stayed with us)
and it wasn't until they went for their divorce that he was found out to be a child molestor and he was reported to the DA and pressed charge3s against him and he was sent to jail for six months.

All his kids as of today are living signs of abuse

One is in jail for drugs and prostitution.
One broke up a marriage of JW and she ran away with the husband.
The boy has been in jail, doing drugs, has no relationships with the opposite sex, and the last time I saw those kids they were singing in front of their mother and us "The best sex is incest"

You can believe this or not. I was in the organ. for 35 years, went through the blood thing with my son for 16 years, he finally died in 1988 of leaukimea. His mother died in 2000 due to a blood disease.

So I have been around and I have seen things and have sat in on things.

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HildaBingen

Dear hawk:

This is my last post to you on this thread. I can tell that you are not walking through the same cotton that I am. I will therefore let you slide. The ad hominems are getting old.

:Oh brother - why if I had your brains ......:

That is what I am saying. We are not in the same league when it comes to brains. So I will not dialogue with you. It is beneath my dignity.

:It's about control - plain and simple - control the mind and the body of the innocent - abuse them in any way to show how much control you have over some one less strong.:

I guess you also think that rape is ONLY about control too, dear.

:Its sick and that is what you support. You would support the WT way before some little kid gets wacked.:

Wrong, wrong.

:Sick I tell you - sick:

You are the one who needs to take care of your pathology.

HildaBingen

Dear rek:

You sound like you are telling the truth and so I will not even fight you on that front. Your problem seems to be more a matter of perspective. But I am not trying to put you down. I feel sorry for what happened to your son. This mystic means that. Problems in the org just do not amount to it being a false org.

:I was an elder and I know for a fact we let a father that committed incest be reproved but not removed from the congregation. We never (due to ignorance) went to the police, just like dumb drones we did as the society outlined.:

I am not saying that a pedophile should or should not be immediately DF. But they should be and usually are disciplined by the congregation. Sentencing pedophiles doesn't always work either. Sometimes they come back out of jail and commit the same crimes again. Maybe we can blame the authorities then. They are not perfect either. Only God's kingdom will offer a perfect solution. Daniel 2:44. Governments are now even reconsidering the death penalty.

detective

amccullough (amac) writes:

If someone breaks in their house and steals their TV, who do they call? If someone is throwing rocks at their house who do they call? If somone molests their child, who do they call? It should be that simple, but it obviously isn't.

Who do they call? Why, the police, silly.

But if it's another witness who steals their television or throws rocks at their house, who do they call then?

The elders.

The burden lies with the elders because that's the "arrangement" when dealing witness to witness.

Thought Experiments and Bill Bowen

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