The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough

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  • prologos
    prologos

    I am a big fan of waves, vibrations, pulsations, frequencies, c.

    is it possible to use gravity waves, those that are hard to find, to transmit information? if you had a really powerful generator?

    we could have AM -amplitude modulation; FM -frequency modulation of gravity waves. and these were the oldest ripples detected.

    Even our tides are generated by gravity, it is a 2 standing waves set-up of the sun/moon system. and the earth rotates inside it.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Even our tides are generated by gravity, it is a 2 standing waves set-up of the sun/moon system. and the earth rotates inside it.

    Again, no, that is an inaccurate sentence.

  • prologos
    prologos

    I stand corrected, the two bulges on the earth/water surface are not standing with respect to the universe, they are rotating somewhat in sync with the orbit of the moon around the Baricenter, and

    are deflected by north south- shore lines.

    but they are more time-stable than the earth surface which is roating inside them. wait for the earth to rotate into the rising tides, surfing is best, and go to china, to rally see the bore, even in England you can surf up river as the earth spins.and

    of course all these is a pattern of oscillations, that are shown in a new very early guise in the gravity activity so close to the beginning.

    researchers: dont stop there.

    viviane: if you think of the tides coming because the moon reaches overhead, you are still stuck in a pre-galileian mind set.

    It is the earth that moves, not the tidal bulge.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    but they are more time-stable than the earth surface which is roating inside them

    That doesn't make sense. What does "time-stable" mean?

    viviane: if you think of the tides coming because the moon reaches overhead, you are still stuck in a pre-galileian mind set.

    I certainly hope lurkers reading learned how easy it is to get accurate science information in all the corrections I made for you.

  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    What about physical space itself? I imagine "space" was always here, because "space" is nothing.

    It was the energy that expanded rather than the emptyness called space, otherwise there would be a discernible "edge"

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    What about physical space itself? I imagine "space" was always here, because "space" is nothing.

    Actually, it turns out defining "nothing" is pretty hard. The closer we look and the predictions from mathematics (that have so far held up pretty well) indicates there might not be "nothing" in the traditional sense that we think about it.

    Space and time appear to be two side of the same coin, like matter and engergy or electricity and magnetism.

  • prologos
    prologos

    viviane, yes this graet for lurkers.

    to repeat: before galileo, coernicus, kepler, the heavenly bodies (not the one on the beach) were thought to rotate around the earth. That includes phenomena that are caused by heavenly bodies (not poseidon) like the tidal bulges. since the tides are caused by the gravity from the moon and sun, the lifted bulges do not rotate from under these exterior bodies. Tides are waves, that travel through the medium, water, the crust. they travel through water not pushing water, except in the shallows when they become "bores".

    by time-stable I meant the tidal data advance by one rotation a month compared to the once a day rotation of the earth. ~ 30:1 ON YOUR CLOCK/CALENDER.

    viviane, snap out of it. tides dont move much, any more than their causes, the moon and sun.

    everybody is having fun and learning.

    There are tidal effects all over the solar system, heating the moons of the planets, prompting volcanic activity.

    It would be interesting to see the tidal effects of the gravity waves in the early universe. as researched.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    by time-stable I meant the tidal data advance by one rotation a month compared to the once a day rotation of the earth. ~ 30:1 ON YOUR CLOCK/CALENDER.

    Or ~27.32, not ~30.

    viviane, snap out of it. tides dont move much, any more than their causes, the moon and sun.

    I am not arguing anything about tidal forces and waves with you. There's nothing to snap out of.

    everybody is having fun and learning.

    Good. It's important to accurate and precise when discussing science. Promoting wrong things as fact is worse than simple ignorance....

  • prologos
    prologos

    Viviane gravity waves as found in the op link and standing waves, generated by gravity are relevant to the subject.

    its not about quivelling about 10% accuracy behind an approximate symbol~. Tides are a gravity induced standing wave, from a gravity gradient that follows the moon, creating TWO bulges on water and earth. These bulges are stationary with respect to the moon/sun system but travel on the earth's surface. If you sped up the earth's rotation, the tides would still swing about the moon the same way.

    The earth rotation is slowing down, one day in the future one half the earth might face ~ the sun permanentely, like the moon ~does us now.

    Your allegations, that my posts are devoid of scientific fact need to be substantiated and:

    Just as we, by timing the tides, can deduce the position, mass, velocities of the sun&moon, the gravitataionol constant, their distances,

    so we will be one day extract INFO from the newly detected gravity effects,-- about the beyond.

    stay tuned.

    we will go to the beach tomorrow to go surfing and observe the earth rotating into the rising tide, when the surf is up(per). waves upon a wave.

  • prologos
    prologos

    truthseeker. you make good points to ponder. There is a difference between space and it's content. between time and movement through it.

    and as vibiane pointed out also, when all is said and done, the books considered, nothing turns out to be not nothing at all. broiling with latent energy and virtual activity. whatever that means.

    cofty called it the birth of the universe, when you attend a birth, the printout of contractions are a wave pattern, and now we get these patterns so close.

    are these force lines? tensioning, warping of space? gravitons being exchanged in bursts? it will be intersting reding. (not in the wtawake)

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