Birth of the Universe? started with lingering waves,
was not a cesarean.
The Birth of the Universe - Scientific Breakthrough
by cofty 81 Replies latest social current
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Viviane
Viviane gravity waves as found in the op link and standing waves, generated by gravity are relevant to the subject.
You asked for evidence of you not understanding what you are writing, here you go. They didn't find gravity waves. And, BTW, show me a standing wave (also known as a stationary wave because they remain in a constant position and shape, which waves on the shore DON'T do) caused by gravity. Love to see one if you have an example.
its not about quivelling about 10% accuracy behind an approximate symbol~.
When you take liberty with facts and claim you couldn't possibly know as fact while mixing in a little pseudoscience, it most certainly it. You do more to harm science than creationism when you do that because you promote misunderstanding, mixing wrong with the correct and going beyond facts with bad version of pseudothinking that has just enough facts to sound correct then has, ladled on like gravy, misinformation and new age nonsense.
Your allegations, that my posts are devoid of scientific fact need to be substantiated and:
That wasn't my allegation, but they certainly have been rife with error.
we will go to the beach tomorrow to go surfing and observe the earth rotating into the rising tide, when the surf is up(per). waves upon a wave.
The water is also rotating.
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Jon Preston
This is a great thread, keep commenting
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prologos
I maintain that the tides on earth are two standing waves that remain relatively fixed, or in balance, their position to the Moon and Sun.
Like any wave there might be variations in highs, but the wave hangs there more or less under the moon. it follows the moon wherever that body goes. it is ~stationary under the moon.
On accuracy: when discussing general principles, it is tistracting to quibble about decimal places. So many factors could squew the data.
wether the tides advance 1/30s or 1/27.32 is not the issue, which is after all that the tide stays ~stationary under the moon,and less so under the sun.
surfing last weekend: the high tide was weak. but normally with the eart turning into the bulge, The Waves come alive with that extra energy. and of course the water wave is a rotating wave that travels through its medium. with the surface portion advancing in the direction of it's travel toward the beach. that is why we surfers DIVE under a wave to get out there. the wave sucks you out that way, whereas you get slapped hard it you go through the top. but
The two tidal bulges are not distictly rotating since their origin is not surface directional wind lift up and away.
rife with error that needs correcting for the benefit of all. but error just might be a designation coming from reading facts presented from a different, unfamiliar viepoint. facts nevertheless.
fascinating facts.
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prologos
Of course there are normally no standing waves on the beach, they just keep rolling in, what a waste, for only in the last decades have they come to be used in a BIG way by surfers, before by dolphins, seals only. but
In a harbour, or at the breakwater in Waikiki for example, when repeated ~equally timed incoming wave are reflected back out, you can see STANDING Troughs and Crests, you can see waves travelling through waves, cancel and add to create standing wave patterns. and
The birth of the universe pictures we have of these repeated swirls could be such interference patterns that lingered long enough to register on our instruments now, rather than being FLEETING moving wave phenomena.
You can see this happening too' - with the stroboscopic effect, where propellers and wheels are starting spinning backward or come to a STANDSTILL, when FREQUENCIES like in waves INTERFERRE.
I believe that there is more to waves than we recognize., for every entity has a harmonic resonance, from which waves of different kinds radiate.
bathe in the radiation.
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talesin
What an enjoyable discussion to read.
Actually, it turns out defining "nothing" is pretty hard. The closer we look and the predictions from mathematics (that have so far held up pretty well) indicates there might not be "nothing" in the traditional sense that we think about it.
Space and time appear to be two side of the same coin, like matter and engergy or electricity and magnetism.
I find this so fascinating, and especially the 'multiverse' and 'holographic universe'. Physics, for me, is the most fascinating of the sciences (well, that and medicine), and we are in the infancy of our understanding. It was my dream, as a young teen, to be a physicist, and haha, we all know what happened to that (those of us who were of the born-in, baby-boomers, who were denied an education).
I haven't done the extensive research and reading of the OP, Cofty, and some other posters, but have been watching vids of physicists' lectures, and wow, it's exciting,,, fascinating .... and we have so much to learn!
Science is growing and changing as the decades progress. When string theory was first proposed to the scientific community (and please forgive, my memory is so bad I can't quote the scientist's name or specific dates, but I seem to remember it was the 50's?), the author was ridiculed by his peers, and died in a state of shame, being sneered at and outcast by the scientific community - his theory was crazy, too 'out there'. Several decades later, when string theory was finally 'recognized' by his peers, he was posthumously honoured. I have the copy of Scientific American from, I think, the 90s, that speaks of the vindication of his theory.
We just don't know where science will go .... it's exciting, and important to keep an open mind (reference the above paragraph) to the endless possibilities! I always think of Carl Sagan ........... science is a 'candle in the dark'. :)
Good thread!
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Viviane
I maintain that the tides on earth are two standing waves that remain relatively fixed, or in balance, their position to the Moon and Sun.
You can maintain whatever you like, but a system in balance (which it isn't) is the same as standing waves. This is why accuracy is important. It prevents you from making ridiculous conclusions based on bad information.
rife with error that needs correcting for the benefit of all. but error just might be a designation coming from reading facts presented from a different, unfamiliar viepoint. facts nevertheless.
Interesting that you have latched onto this to deflect from all of your earlier errors, but you are still making them.
equally timed incoming wave are reflected back out, you can see STANDING Troughs and Crests
That's not a standing wave. Please stop trying to shoe horn your pseudosceince errors and woo into reality.
The birth of the universe pictures we have of these repeated swirls could be such interference patterns that lingered long enough to register on our instruments now, rather than being FLEETING moving wave phenomena.
Again, please stop. There are no pictures of the birth of the universe. This is fantasy based on pseudo science and continual misunderstand of what science there is combined with a lack of the skills necessary to understand what we do know. What I just quoted from you is both wrong and nonsensical at the same time.
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snare&racket
I don't understand the motivation to google then copy and paste information you don't understand onto a forum.
Sincere interest will take you to a library....not here.
What is this fake, lazy, pseudo-science motivated by? Just defending a ridiculous point to the death?
Prologos, I have never met someone who attempts to talks about 'science' so much.... and yet with so little knowledge of all or any of it's branches. Seriously, what are you doing man?
I know I have suggested the same core texts to you countless of times. I constantly encourage people to study science, maybe go and do physics in night school or part time? Better yet, go back and get your grades and apply to do it in high ed! That is what I did !
But this is no way to communicate or learn science, dipping in and out of highly complex topics, no idea what is up or down, no idea of even the terminology or basic parameters. Thinking that 'evidence' means Googling the remotest thing that seems to you to defend a recent pseudo-scientific opinion you have spewed. This is not how we do science, it is neither constructive or useful.
The only reason I personally answer your threads is to sign post other readers to the right answers, so that you don't add to the muddying waters of religion in the pool of science and knowledge. Don't be a hinderance prologos, you have as good a mind as anyone, be a help... you seem to have a lot of time, why not go back to schol and start again? I guarantee you will LOVE it.
Snare.
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Twitch
The lunar gravity differential field at the Earth's surface is known as the tide-generating force. This is the primary mechanism that drives tidal action and explains two equipotential tidal bulges, accounting for two daily high waters.The tidal force produced by a massive object (Moon, hereafter) on a small particle located on or in an extensive body (Earth, hereafter) is the vector difference between the gravitational force exerted by the Moon on the particle, and the gravitational force that would be exerted on the particle if it were located at the Earth's center of mass. The solar gravitational force on the Earth is on average 179 times stronger than the lunar, but because the Sun is on average 389 times farther from the Earth, its field gradient is weaker. The solar tidal force is 46% as large as the lunar. [28]
The ocean's surface is closely approximated by an equipotential surface, (ignoring ocean currents) commonly referred to as the geoid. Since the gravitational force is equal to the potential's gradient, there are no tangential forces on such a surface, and the ocean surface is thus in gravitational equilibrium. Now consider the effect of massive external bodies such as the Moon and Sun. These bodies have strong gravitational fields that diminish with distance in space and which act to alter the shape of an equipotential surface on the Earth. This deformation has a fixed spatial orientation relative to the influencing body. The Earth's rotation relative to this shape causes the daily tidal cycle. Gravitational forces follow an inverse-square law (force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance), but tidal forces are inversely proportional to the cube of the distance. The ocean surface moves because of the changing tidal equipotential, rising when the tidal potential is high, which occurs on the parts of the Earth nearest to and furthest from the Moon. When the tidal equipotential changes, the ocean surface is no longer aligned with it, so the apparent direction of the vertical shifts. The surface then experiences a down slope, in the direction that the equipotential has risen.
Tides are a function of gravity.
There is no mention of standing wave phenonmena with regard to forces that cause tides.
There is mention of standing waves in areas due to tidal and other currents interfering but this is dependant on localized features, and is not a global cause or effect.
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cofty
Seriously regretting starting this thread.
What is it about physics that conversations move so quickly from reality to Star Trek?
On a related topic, The Big Bang Theory has become one of my favorite programmes recently.
