Is this new donation arrangement for real?

by nugget 324 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    Thank you Comatose. The below quote sums it up perfectly.

    " All they will hear is that the "loving gubberning body is removing their loan! How loving of a provision from Jehoooovahs TRUE organization! These brothers are so LOVING!"

    I have watched over my time as a witness old people give away land and money and retirement and stock and cars to this org. The brothers never seem to think anything of it. They will continue to do this. Whatever the "guys at the top" may be cooking up by this"expected failure" will also be swallowed by the brothers. I would love to see it all crumble as much if not more than anyone but thi s is not going to be it

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    AndDon'tCallMeShirley:

    You are probably right as to their real objective: regular compulsory donations. In other words: TITHING. However, I would never tithe to any religion. How funny that the Jehovah's Witness religion in no way resembles what it used to and that it has done an about-face on everything it claimed. No wonder they don't want anybody reading old literature!

    And, as far as the religion having the nerve to ask to see people's tax returns (which they have no authority to do), all I can say is what another poster said:... I'd have to have the word STUPID across my forehead if I agreed to this.

    I wish the people still there would wake up and see how deceived they have been and get out of her once and for all !!

  • littlerockguy
    littlerockguy

    LHG, a lot of the people still in the organization are not trapped it. Many of them want to believe it because they are getting some benefit from the organization and they will do anything the organization tells them to; a lot of people that are still in are that far gone and can't and will not change. It's like a terminal cancer there is no cure for and the patient will take the belief with them to their graves.

    LRG

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    @bobld they need 13,000 Kingdom Halls not because of the increase of publishers per year but because many congregations are meeting in rented facilities,

    private homes and even sheds in the jungle and countryside of certain countries.....emeth

    .....Lets Go Eat Some JW`s..............Good Idea!..LOL!!..

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  • undercover
    undercover

    After a quick perusal of this thread, here are my initial reactions to some of the things I saw:

    The WTS asking each congregation to 'pledge' a monthly amount isn't that far feteched. They've been putting the screws to congregations for some time now, changing arrangements every so often to squeeze more and more out of them as it is. In turn, asking each family/brother to pledge an amount isn't out of the norm either. They've practiced this on lesser levels in times past. I could see this becoming a yearly thing. And making them fill out a form once a year is a reminder to them that they 'owe' Jehovah this, guilting them into forgoing material needs in order to satisfy the WTS.

    The WTS taking more hands on control of congregation accounts, to the point that local congreation savings be sent to the WTS is not far fetched. It was only a matter of time before they felt the economic pressure to the point to reach into local pockets to help fill the coffers back up.

    Both of those things would barely raise an eyebrow among the rank and file. When they give money, they visualize it all as supporting the WTS, no matter whether it's used locally or in NY. It's all part of their service to Jehovah.

    What I find really far-fetched, almost to the level of conspiracy theory fantasy, is the notion that the WTS would stoop to reviewing bank statemenst and tax returns of individual members of the congregation, albeit just brothers or servants. While that notion isn't an official proclomation, or even in the works, I'm suspect of someone that claims to know that WT execs discussed this as an option. It's Scientologist type creepiness. And it would never work. While there may be some old JW widows or not-quite-right dubs that would fall right in line with such a nonsense request, most would balk. Too many UBMs to tell their spouses, "are you nuts?! Let your church look at our records?? NO Fing WAY". Too many fringe dubs to not obey. Oh, they won't come out and complain, but they'll slack off even more, instead of ponying up. And too many savvy, self-employed brothers, who are already 'creative' in how they report taxes, that would bristle at the idea of WT oversight of their record keeping. The more I think about it, the more ridiculous this idea really is. Let's stick with facts and official documentation of what the WTS actually proposes to do, instead of letting imaginations run wild into some conspiracy theory universe, where reality doesn't exist...

  • 4thgen
    4thgen

    breakfast of champions: You are right about Russell...Maybe that is one of the reasons for his demotion.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

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  • respectful_observer
    respectful_observer

    What I find really far-fetched, almost to the level of conspiracy theory fantasy, is the notion that the WTS would stoop to reviewing bank statemenst and tax returns of individual members of the congregation, albeit just brothers or servants.

    Agreed. That would be akin to a J-dub reviewing another J-dub's medical records to determine whether they accepted blood. Oh wait, that's actually happened. "HIPAA laws be damned!!"

    All kidding aside, reviewing personal banking records would be pretty far fetched.

  • warehouse
    warehouse

    undercover wrote:

    Let's stick with facts and official documentation of what the WTS actually proposes to do, instead of letting imaginations run wild into some conspiracy theory universe, where reality doesn't exist...

    Ah, the voice of reason. Thank you undercover.

  • warehouse
    warehouse

    We really are the pot calling the kettle black when we let unreasonableness and unobjective conjecture run rampant.

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