Shark Evolution

by metatron 135 Replies latest jw friends

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    So Cofty, let me see if I got this right OK? You don't read physics and yet you pronounce woo on something on which you don't even read about?

    So then I take your 1 in 1000 remark to apply to your lack of understanding of the subject, in other words a confession of your own ignorance of the subject?

  • Apognophos
    Apognophos

    I would call "strawman" on villagegirl's point about atheists saying that evolution disproves God, but I think it's probably the case that somewhere, someone is actually saying, "I'm an atheist, and evolution disproves God." Just understand that no one here right now is saying that. We can't be held responsible for someone who believes in some of the same things that we do and yet represents them poorly. All that one can logically state is that evolution removes the need for a God in explaining the variety of life. It does not prove God didn't make every kind of life himself, but it begs the question, "Why are some so determined to stick to the 'God did it' explanation when there's an explanation that is based on actual observations?"

    I will say that the physics issues are interesting ones; the 11 dimensions of M-theory are far from universally accepted to the degree that evolution is, so I don't advise going around saying that there are 11 known dimensions, especially because most people do not really know what that means even as they repeat this "fact". There are other competing theories that don't require those dimensions.

    It is apparently true that we don't know what most of the universe is made of, but first of all, the missing mass and energy are not likely to have any effect on evolution theory when they are discovered. Why would they? Can you provide a possible answer to how dark matter and energy would affect the theory of the origin of species, or are you grasping at straws by picking a random cosmological mystery as proof that our knowledge is limited? Second of all, if all of our knowledge is so limited, how can you say that your own beliefs are more likely to be correct? Is this just resorting to a claim of universal ignorance? We're all basically ignorant so how dare anyone state with certainty that their beliefs are correct? If you want to take this stance, I hope you are also making similar posts on fundamentalist religion forums chastising them for believing the Bible is God's inerrant word and for being certain that God exists. If you aren't, I have to question why you are singling out the side that is pro-science.

  • cofty
    cofty

    I asked you to explain your post Frankie. You said something about other dimensions of time, and I asked you tell me in your own words what you meant by that.

    All I got in response was a load of childish verbal abuse.

    Viviane, who does read physics, provided evidence that it was woo.

    in other words a confession of your own ignorance of the subject?

    Yes. I did physics at high school and got an A grade and won the High School Physics prize but beyond that I am ignorant. Ignorance is not a pejorative word. It is a lack of knowledge or understanding.

    Maybe I will read physics, but I avoid waffling about stuff I don't have knowledge of.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    And so you who doesn't know anything or very very little about physics took the word of a complete stranger, and decided that his ramblings which you had no idea of what he was talking about was the truth about physics. Haven't you learned your lesson about gulibility yet? Man are you a sucker for bull shit from people you don't even know.

  • cofty
    cofty

    I have high school physics and I can smell bullshit when somebody responds to reasonable questions with angry and abusive rants.

    Are you ever going to tell me why you think the video is worthy of serious attention or what you meant by "other dimentions of time"?

    I am beginning to suspect your angry rants are a way of hiding the fact that you just post random sciencey vidoes you don't understand.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    I'm saying don't let that little shit Viviane bias you with his utter bull shit the guy talks through his ass about shit he has very little knowledge of he's just on some ego trip trying to inflate himself by being some type imaginary genius in his own world view.

  • Laika
    Laika

    Viviane is a man?

  • cliff
    cliff

    ... and it would appear that Frankie has some serious issues to deal with!

  • cofty
    cofty

    I have always found Viviane's posts to be informative and factual.

    I think Viviane is female.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    """I think Viviane is female."""

    Whatever! lets not add gender bias to the mix, she could be MTF for all I know, that is not important ,,,boy do you guy get easily side tracted with minor issues. You all need better programs running in the back round to check you on these non issue issues.

    Try to appreaciate that processing non issues is a waste of ram in the billions of gigbites persecond that the conscious and unconscious could use for much more useful computations about life and the world than running those tirelessly boring viewpoint opinion type of questions that have no answer worth finding. stick to facts don't let these old programs crash your hard drive, let neuroplasticity help you along:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity

    Neuroplasticity, also known as brain plasticity, is an umbrella term that encompasses both synaptic plasticity and non-synaptic plasticity—it refers to changes in neural pathways and synapses which are due to changes in behavior, environment and neural processes, as well as changes resulting from bodily injury. [1] Neuroplasticity has replaced the formerly-held position that the brain is a physiologically static organ, and explores how - and in which ways - the brain changes throughout life. [2]

    Neuroplasticity occurs on a variety of levels, ranging from cellular changes due to learning, to large-scale changes involved in cortical remapping in response to injury. The role of neuroplasticity is widely recognized in healthy development, learning, memory, and recovery from brain damage. During most of the 20th century, the consensus among neuroscientists was that brain structure is relatively immutable after a critical period during early childhood. This belief has been challenged by findings revealing that many aspects of the brain remain plastic even into adulthood. [3]

    Hubel and Wiesel had demonstrated that ocular dominance columns in the lowest neocortical visual area, V1, were largely immutable after the critical period in development. [4] Critical periods also were studied with respect to language; the resulting data suggested that sensory pathways were fixed after the critical period. However, studies determined that environmental changes could alter behavior and cognition by modifying connections between existing neurons and via neurogenesis in the hippocampus and other parts of the brain, including the cerebellum. [5]

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