by Eutapro 76 Replies latest jw friends
: Could there be a type of conditioning that not only happens in groups like jw and mormons--but one that also occurs when a jw or mormon decides to leave his group.
Obviously, punctuation isn't important to your educated worshipfulness, either.
Farkel
I remember that DunsScott used to refer to himself in the third person on this board (or was that H2O?). Wonder what he's been up to?
rem
I agree with you DakotaRed, it sure seems strange that Hilda-Mystikool, Mystic Jehovah's Witness, can become Eutapro, neutral scientific observer, in only 24 hours. Sounds like a classic case of Dissociative Indentity Disorder to me.
Regarding Hilda's new nom de plume "Eutapro," is this supposed to be the dative for Roman name Eutropius? The correct form in Latin would be Eutropo, meaning "to Eutropius".
Sincerely,
Athanasius
Hi Eu, welcome to the board. Although I disagree with you on a number of points I believe your argument is not without some validity. One of your quotes however did disturb me;
They claim that their views are true and by default not false. Anyone making such claims bears a fairly weighty onus.
My husband and I were at the zoo yesterday and a female chimpanzee that was in oestrus and she was bearing a decidedly weighty onus . . . it wasn't a pleasant sight. I hope this is something we can avoid, you don't think theres any real reason for concern do you?
concerned,
raven101
Raven...
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Mr larc
I defer to your authority, wisdom and experience. I have read some of your input on this board, sir, and it is truly phenomenal. My dad also taught me to respect my elders. So I will reply kindly to you, sir.
[Let me try to respond to you in a calm rational way, as you have requested.
You said that you are interested in the effects of classical conditioning within certain religions. It would seem to me, that classical conditioning would play a significant role in some religions, but not much within the JWs. I think operant conditioning would be a much more significant factor for the JWs.]
Why do you think that OC is a more significant factor, sir? I am new to the game and would like to know why you make this observation.
[Since you say you are interested in this subject, what you have learned to date, in this regard. Related to this, can you please provide peer reviewed articles on the effects of classical conditioning within religion?]
I have not yet run across any articles that support my thesis yet, sir. Do you know of any? I a new to this game. But we are looking for sources. I am humble, teachable and willing to learn.
[Also, can you provide the same such articles on any subject as the apply specificly to the Witnesses?]
There are none that I know of, sir. We are trying to introduce a revolutionary approach to the subject. Have you ever heard of critical psychology?
Again I say...Oh for goodness sake.
Here lets see if I can start a rumor that is instantly believed.
I bet that Eutapro isnt even that myst that yall keep sayin. He's prolly that ebil hywandyr or dat tewwible Inishit.
For christ sake people. All it takes is one person saying something and the others automatically leap upon it. Could Eutapro be myst or someone else SURE. He could be you for all I know. The point isnt who he COULD be. But the freaking mentality that if one person says something everyone jumps on it.
And you wonder why I say folks on this board are weak.
It is the same mentality in every segment of society...and exes are not better than JWs for the most part. Perhaps on a few key issues they are better, and those issues are important to me. But overall, you guys wreak of the JW stench that you are so vehemently denying.
Hygh,
I whole heartedly agree with you opinion. I wish people would stay calm and address the content of posts and not engage in ridicule. I think ridicule is contraproductive.
Eutapro,
Let me address your last question first, re: critical psychology. I have never heard of a special branch with that name. All research psychologists are very critical, so it seems to me that the term should cut across all branches of the field. If you have a reference to the term as having special meaning then please provide it.
Regarding classical conditioning and religion, let me make some comments. Classical conditioning has to do with automatic, viseral responses that get paired with certain events, and then get associated with these events automaticaly. Some religions create viseral responses through things live revivals and a call to the alter to get saved. These situations can cause powerful emotional reactions. By contrast, the enculturation into the Witnesses, does not use these emotion laden methods. Their book studies and meetings are almost totally devoid of emotion. Rather, they draw on behavior, making the motions of study, going out in meetings, and out in field service. Their message to the members continually urges them to engage in certain behaviors. That is why I say, that operant conditioning is a better paradigm to explain the Witnesses, than is classical conditioning.
By the way, I think Social Psychology has more expainitary power when it comes to religious groups than does Learning Theory.
Dr larc
Thanks for your learned dicta. This information will greatly assist my research efforts.
[Let me address your last question first, re: critical psychology. I have never heard of a special branch with that name. All research psychologists are very critical, so it seems to me that the term should cut across all branches of the field. If you have a reference to the term as having special meaning then please provide it.]
I learned about critical psychology at these sites
http://www.uws.edu.au/criticalpsychology/
Here is a brief description of critical psychology:
"Critical psychology researchers recognise the interaction, dynamism and subjectivity in these areas for study and therefore largely reject positivistic paradigms which assume that the world is predictable and objective. Instead they use a range of qualitative approaches which seek to discover meanings, processes, relationships and the reciprocal effects between individuals and larger social processes."
There are many more sites detailing this approach to psychology.
[Regarding classical conditioning and religion, let me make some comments. Classical conditioning has to do with automatic, viseral responses that get paired with certain events, and then get associated with these events automaticaly. Some religions create viseral responses through things live revivals and a call to the alter to get saved. These situations can cause powerful emotional reactions. By contrast, the enculturation into the Witnesses, does not use these emotion laden methods. Their book studies and meetings are almost totally devoid of emotion. Rather, they draw on behavior, making the motions of study, going out in meetings, and out in field service. Their message to the members continually urges them to engage in certain behaviors. That is why I say, that operant conditioning is a better paradigm to explain the Witnesses, than is classical conditioning.]
You bring out some valid points. Thanks for your time, sir.
Eu,
I have just returned from doing my research, so I have not looked at your links yet. I will comment on the one quote you cited. It seems to me that the goal of this disipline is at odds with behaviorists. Behaviorists have a very strong believe in logical positivism and determinism, and so, your interest in operant and classical conditioning would go against the philosophy of critical psychlogy, as represented by your quote.
