by LDH 64 Replies latest jw friends
"I remind my parents frequently that they're not good parents because[/] they're JWs."
You're some kiddy Lisa. Parents are good or bad because they're good or bad, not because they're JWs. People need to own up to their own responsibilities and quit blaming everything on the organization.
Xandit,
You have missed the target completely. My parents would have been wonderful parents without the teachting of the Watchtower. But because of these teachings they were never able to truly love us. The same conditional love placed on their so-called friends was placed on us.
Denying your children to flourish in their GOD GIVEN talents (academics, sports, arts, social activities, etc), not because of the activities being wrong, but because the friggin' religion you think is God's friggin mouthpiece is horrific.
As Lisa stated, my parents would have been WONDERFUL, except for tramatizing us with the JW BULLSh**. Why couldn't they have drilled algebra into my head day and night, or missed a GD meeting to listen to us more (I mean really listen)
May God help every child being tortured because of their parents addictions (religion, drugs, alchol, gambling, etc.).
Sorry if my language may have been to strong for some, but this thread on Family dynamics have really struck a nerve.
Happy to be Free (Me)
Oh I get the point all right. Every wrong thing is the fault of the organization, that's what it all boils down to in every one of these discussions. I've never seens such a bunch of moaning, whining, hand wringers. Let me tell you a cold hard fact. If your parents would have been wonderful parents outside the organization then they would have been wonderful parents inside the organization.
I realize that you, like so many others, desperately want to lay all the ills of your life on a faceless organization. It's time to grow up and get on with your life.
OK, XANDIT
Apparently English is your second language.
I SAID my parents were good parents, regardless of the religion. THEREFORE the implication is that they didn't need ANY religion to be good parents. The religion is totally immaterial.
FIRST and foremost, they are good PEOPLE, which is what make good parents. Their choice of religion hasn't changed the fact that they're good people. They were good people BEFORE they became JWs.
It's a FREAKIN compliment to them. DUH. You wrote exactly what I wrote. DUH.
Don't misquote me. [8>]
Truth time, Xandit. When an organization attempts to control every facet of a person's life, as does the WTBTS, they will assuredly have to accept the blame for many issues and problems encountered by former members.
Your loving advice to "just get on with it" sounds rather hollow from someone who is supposedly still enmeshed in the web....even though you vehemently deny any real involvement...blithely stating that you can do as you wish with no repercussions.
Leaving the BOrg is not exactly the same thing as walking out of a bad movie.
Hey Xandit, have you been reading the literature of your religion? They claim that the "truth" should make peope better husbands, wives, daughters, sons, citizens, employees.
It's OK for them to make such broad statements, but you'll tear a strip off of anyone who says the opposite?
Edited by - sassenach on 21 February 2001 15:47:13
Folks,
You have to remember that Xandit is a rich youppie who goes to a kingdom hall where you can pick and choose what you believe and openly discuss it. They play softball every saturday in the summer and have parties all through the year. The children are encouraged to express their indiviuality and develope their unique talents. They are all above average in intelligence with no slow learners among them. They didn't think that 1975 was a big deal. Hell, if I could find a place like that I'd go back.
They probably have their cleaning ladies go door to door for them. The richest ones in the congregation might hire someone to pioneer on their behalf. Their love of their of the less fortunate brothers and sisters has no limit as is shown by Xandit's sympathetic posts.
Xandit,
Could you please tell me the name and location of your kingdom hall? If I am ever traveling in your region of the country, I want to check it out.
Who wants Trident?
Xandit, you said:
"Let me tell you a cold hard fact. If your parents would have been wonderful parents outside the organization then they would have been wonderful parents inside the organization."
Maybe you believe that. I don't. The facts don't bear you out. Here is what the organization is saying to parents:
"believe all things the Watchtower brings out, it is not considered a lie to withhold true information from someone you do not feel deserves a true statement. As a matter of fact the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God’s cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God’s enemies. No matter how close the relationship the loyalty to Jehovah’s organization must transcend every human relationship, even that of close flesh-and-blood relatives. They have become real enemies and you must hate them with a perfect hatred, you must feel only loathing for those apostates, no matter WHO they are to you."
Almost every word of that was taken, not in words but phrases, from the Watchtower quotes below. Check it out. Don't talk to me of good parents in the organization, or good children, as there are only good Witnesses if they want to please Jehovah/The Organization. If you have any doubts as to them viewing the Organization as God I could quote you some stuff from the Watchtower or from the parts of the Watchtower literature that my daughter parroted to me thinking they were her own thoughts in a letter she wrote me letting me know that our relationship was now changed. No. The only way to be a good parent in the Jehovah's Witnesses is to have believing children. If you have "apostate" children (in their view) then you are to hate and loathe them. In my dictionary loathe means detest or abhor. No; good parents don't detest and abhor their children for being critical of a religious organization. Cult members do. Hate blinded cult members do. Brainwashed cult members do. The only other people I can think of who regularly discard their children are drug addicts. You refer to many of the people here as whiners, that is the last thing they are. What they speak is the truth. In the words of the Watchtower " When our heavenly Father, Jehovah God, speaks, whether through his Word, the Bible, or through his earthly organization, it is all the more important for us to listen and obey, thus proving that we are obedient worshipers who do not ignore the loving reminder: “Did you hear me?"
I ask you Xandit, Did you hear me? Do you hear them in the quotes above and below ??? They really do make it pretty simple.
Grunt
Quotes the above combined statement was taken from:
si Bible Book Number 38-Zechariah
24 In chapter 13, verses 2 to 6, Zechariah illustrates the loyalty that to this day marks Jehovah’s organization. This must transcend every human relationship, such as that of close flesh-and-blood relatives.
W 93 10/1
15 Regarding them, the psalmist said: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies." (Psalm 139:21, 22)
True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they "feel a loathing" toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10.
w88 4/1 31 Is Obedience Always Proper? ***
When our heavenly Father, Jehovah God, speaks, whether through his Word, the Bible, or through his earthly organization, it is all the more important for us to listen and obey, thus proving that we are obedient worshipers who do not ignore the loving reminder: “Did you hear me?"
according to the Insight Book, under the definition of the word Lie - it is not considered a lie to withhold true information from someone you do not feel deserves a true statement.
w60 6/1 352 Questions from Readers ***
Thus the Scriptures show that for the purpose of protecting the interests of God’s cause, it is proper to hide the truth from God’s enemies.
Qualified to be Ministers
pg. 156 -
"If we have love for Jehovah and for the organization of his people
we shall not be suspicious, but shall,
as the Bible says, 'believe all things,' all the things that The Watchtower
brings out."
