Sorry if the above post made little or no sense, I won't ramble again..
@Booker-t, have you had chance toread any of this thread at all?
Don't worry, take your time, I'm just concerned something has scared you off.
The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.
by booker-t 68 Replies latest watchtower bible
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defender of truth
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Maranatha
If your foundation of faith can be shaken with silly questions about animals killing each other, then I must say your faith was not very strong to begin with. Does not evolution teach survival of the fittest? So, it's ok for the strong animals to kill the weak in evolution but let's ask dumb questions about God "letting it happen", shall we? Look, animals kill each other for many different reasons; food, territory, out of fear, etc. Whether God or nature, that's the way it is. Do you honestly think a couple of wild boars will sit down to a cup of tea and negotiate land rights? Just asking stupid questions like you all are.
Anywho, let me help you out here, ok?
First, animals and man were created as vegetarians (Gen 1:30, ). Meat eating did not occur until after the flood (Gen 9:1-6). Animals and humans killing each other is a part of our sin nature (Gal 5:19-21, Rom 7:5, 8:13, etc). The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). God does care about animals. Check out the following: Proverbs 12:10, 27:23, Ecc 3:19, Ex 23:5, Is 1:11, Jonah 4:11, etc)
Second, let's talk about the Ark. One time an atheist asked me "if it's real then how did Noah get all the fish on the ark?" Seriously. You have to remember that the earth and wildlife was much different back then (even evolution teaches this; Pangea). Noah could get as many animals he wanted to on the ark, even dinosaurs. You see, God never said the animals had to be adult. Young animals are much smaller than adult animals. And dinosaurs, like all of God's creation, range in size from 5lbs on up to an estimated 2200lbs (this is based only on fragmented fossils, bythe way). The ark was about 510ft long, 45 ft tall and 85 ft wide. We do not know if all the animals we see today were the exact same ones back then. Also, Noah was told to take of each "kind", or species of animal, not every single subspecies. Example, we have the wolf, dog, coyote, fox etc, but they all make up one "kind" and that is canidae or canine.
The following verses in the Bible may even be mentioning dinosaurs: "behemoth" (Job 40:15-24), "leviathan" (Job 41), "dragons" (Psalms 74:13, 148:7, Mic 1:8, Mal 1:3, etc.)
And secularists mock us believers in the Flood of Noah but yet scientists had the idea that a global flood occurred on Mars in order to explain all of it's canyons. Mars has no water, Earth does. But Ark believers are the crazy ones? Ha!
Third, let's talk about forgiveness. God gave the people in the days of Noah 120 years to repent. That is how long it took Noah to build the ark. After he finished the ark, God allowed seven more days until the rain came. And still, the people did not want to believe Noah. Was that not enough time for them to repent? (1 Pet 3:20) It's not that God doesn't forgive, it is man that refuses to repent of their wickedness. And saying that they and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah knew no better is a sorry excuse. God instituted marriage between one man and one woman in the Garden of Eden. Yet the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were sexually perverse, both young and old, rich and poor. You see how America is getting with it's homosexual agenda? Yeah, it was like that, only much worse. And how do you know Adam and Eve did not repent? Adam lived to be 930 years old. He could've turned back to God and received salvation. We don't know. Same with the people in Noah's day. They could've finally believed in God as they were facing death. But God's word is like a locomtive going down a track at full speed. It cannot stop, it cannot turn around. All Adam and Eve had to do was obey one command and they couldn't. Their disobedience set it all into motion. And saying they did not know better is silly. God told them what would happen and they didn't care. We are not stupid, we know right from wrong. It was told to us from the beginning.
Some websites you might find interesting: answersingensis.org, thebereancall.org, carm.org
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Maranatha
Just wanted to let the JW's know that there is a one True God and His name is Jehovah, but everything else the Watchtower has taught you is wrong!
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defender of truth
"Just wanted to let the JW's know that there is a one True God and His name is Jehovah"
.. Have you gained this knowledge from the Bible? Do you think that every part of it is inspired?
Also, why did Jehovah let his name be edited out of the Bible?
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defender of truth
"God does care about animals."
Could he not have wiped out wicked mankind by sending angels or struck the people dead instantly, instead of drowning countless animals? If so, and if he does care for animals, why so many needless deaths by his hand? -
cofty
First, animals and man were created as vegetarians (Gen 1:30, ). Meat eating did not occur until after the flood - Maranatha
Why is every physical feature of predatory animals wonderfully efficient at detecting, catching, killing, eating and digesting it's prey?
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defender of truth
" Does not evolution teach survival of the fittest? So, it's ok for the strong animals to kill the weak in evolution but let's ask dumb questions about God "letting it happen", shall we? "
It is 'ok' for animals to kill the weak because they have no conscience or morals, they rely on instinct to survive.
That is nature, we are stuck with it.
Why your idea of God designed animals to inflict incredible pain on each other, get cancer and be tormented and tortured by many disease and parasites, which are creatively varied I must admit, is another topic really..
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/222352/21/Theists-why-does-God-allow-suffering#5044183 -
defender of truth
"And saying that they and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah knew no better is a sorry excuse. God instituted marriage between one man and one woman in the Garden of Eden. Yet the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were sexually perverse, both young and old, rich and poor. You see how America is getting with it's homosexual agenda? Yeah, it was like that, only much worse."
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Band on the Run
Grown adults trying to impose atheism on me only make me sick. There is advocating for a sincerely held belief. Constantly making fun of people who did not agree with you for a host of reasons is a sick mind. It is no different from my father beating up on Roman Catholics at work. Have you ever considered that many believers here are better educated than you. Our minds are not stupid. I see it as a matter of aesthetics. Adolf Hitlers are not needed here. It signals that you are uncertain of your own private atheism. There is no need to anger people. All you do is hurt yourself.
The believer/atheist debate is no debate. Thugs are thugs. If I want to sit in a beautiful church and hear celestial music, I most certainly will. Few groups would accept such bad manners on a chronic basis.
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galaxie
Sitting in a man made building listening to man made music,.. nothing wrong with that.
But when did common sense become bad manners?
Best wishes