ADCMS- What a sad spineless excuse for a man that elder was. They go on about bloodguilt, and wouldnt want to even harm a rapist, yet they are the same ones who let their young children die for a evil doctrine. So sad.
Killing In Self Defense
by Cold Steel 90 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Apognophos
All I want to know is, what did his wife think of that remark?
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Cold Steel
I was thinking the same thing, Apognophos. Any man who would say that publicly I would call a coward publicly. I think if it actually happened, the man would find his conscience kicking in, especially if he had the means of stopping it.
You're right about your Dirty Harry Complex observation as well. There have been police officers who have killed in the line of duty. A few days later someone comes up to him, treats it all like a big joke and the officer knocks the guy down. I met a guy in Cancun, a retired police officer from the Bronx. He was going in to a 7-11 or something just as a crook was coming out (he'd just robbed the place). The guy shot him once with a .357, but the officer deflected it and, pulling out his own gun, shot the guy several times, fatally as it turned out. As we left the surf, I could instantly see the damage. The bullet had torn down his leg, lengthwise. The power of a .357 is incredible and he had profound scarring and a debilitating limp. Later, when he and his wife had dinner with me and mine, he told me that he suffered several years of nightmares and insomnia over the shooting. He went through both physical and emotional therapy and his wife told me what she went through -- his spontaneous weeping and changing moods. Military people don't tend to suffer the same, probably because they're trained to fight. He also wasn't religious. I think people who are (and who don't think such are going to be annihilated or spend the rest of eternity in flames) tend to look at it in a different light.
The scriptures do not say, "Thou shalt not kill." They say, "Thou shalt not murder." Big difference. Murder is the taking of innocent life and, I think, applies to animals killed for sport as well as people. There are some people who corner wild hogs using dogs. Then, when the hogs are trapped, they jump in and stab the beasts to death using long, sharp knives known as "pig stickers." In short, these people delight in the screams of the animals and their blood when they could have just as easily shot them. They then take photos of themselves holding their bloody knives, with their clothing drenched in blood and looking like something out of a horror movie.
A number of years ago, I used an illegally-carried Rossi 88 stainless steel 3-inch .38 Spc to spook off about six very intimidating...ummm...young men after taking a date to a late night play in a seedy section of Washington, D.C. My date knew one of the people in the production, so when we got out the place looked like a war zone. I had parked in an underground garage and when we got to my car, there were only two -- mine and theirs. Not a good sign. The young men were standing around and seated on their car like they were waiting for someone -- likely the owner of my car. My date was very attractive and here I was dressed in my best suit, overcoat and some spiffy shoes...an easy target with only about twenty bucks. Enough to satisfy one of them, perhaps, but six? My car door was locked and these guys began whispering to each other. As they walked towards us, my date got behind me and dug her fingers into my arm. At that point I just turned, faced them, and pulled out just enough of my gun so that they could see it. And when they did, it had its hoped-for results. They slowed and, after a very brief staff meeting, they glared at us and began back for their car. Fearing they might be going back for weapons of their own, I quickly unlocked her door, let her in, then got myself in. Having been as cool as glass moments ago, I was now so nervous I could barely get my keys in the ignition and beat a hasty retreat. The point is: I DIDN'T HAVE TO FIRE A SHOT! So the gun really can be a weapon of peace.
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cantleave
Here in the UK we don't need guns - I wonder why?
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Vanderhoven7
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Cold Steel
Just because you don't need guns now, CantLeave, doesn't mean you won't need them later.
When superstorm Katrina hit the state of Louisiana, police and other emergency services providers were strained to their limits. Many threw away their badges so they could return home and care for their loved ones. The remaining resources were stretched so thin that people had to literally fend for themselves. Stores were closed, there was precious little food, and water had to be brought in by federal and out-of-state organizations.
Two other things to consider: How do you think the U.K. would fare with Mexico on its southern border? Guns and drugs flow in all directions. The United States has no military presence there and Americans have only themselves to rely on for protection. The U.S. would be out of its mind to outlaw guns with the immigration policy (or lack thereof) it now has. Secondly, the U.K. lacks the wide open spaces and dangerous wildlife that the U.S. has. How long could a Brit last in the American West and Northwest with one of those cute little Walther PPK .32 or .380 to use against a black bear or Grizzly? Oh, and I just thought of a third aspect. Why did the U.K. take out full page ads in newspapers asking Americans, in haste and desperation, to donate their guns to the U.K. when that man with the funny little mustache began invading other European nations? The ads emphasized the dire need of the Brits for small arms the Brits knew Americans had by way of its God-given right to keep and bear arms.
What happens if, God forbid, London and other British cities, get hit with an EMP event or a destructive natural disaster? Things can happen very quickly and if a nation or community loses its emergency services, a diverse people will have to get together and use clubs and farm implements against whatever threats come along.
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Apognophos
That was a poignant story, thanks Cold Steel. Hard to believe that someone could follow it up with such a foolish remark. Really? Are there no thugs in the U.K.? What a utopia it must be to live there!
The fact is, a person may only need a gun once in their life, but that one time can be life-changing.
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TD
Here in the UK we don't need guns - I wonder why?
Because you are more civilized.
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Apognophos
I'm curious what you or cantleave would have done in Cold Steel's situation, given that you are too enlightened to carry a weapon?
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TD
I don't think it's a question of being enlightened or not. There are plenty of Americans who've spent their entire lives in big cities and have pretty much the same outlook as your average Brit.
It is a more civilized existence than living on the edge of 6000+ square miles of reservation land like I do.